[Issitheus]

I got this idea today, and this topic is kind of like Random Rants, but with a more serious (*gasp*) direction. Here's where we rant and rave about stuff that's worth ranting and raving about. As an example, look at some of Odessa's posts. See what this topic is about? (No offense, Odessa.)

I'll start by giving my thoughts about religion in the USA.

Five words: SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
Religion has become such a big part of daily life. Now, if someone who ISN'T Christian tries to run for President (or most any other major office, for that matter) would lose, no matter what their views were. Every day, students are forced to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, which clearly shows religious affection, with the simple line, "under God". The Boy Scouts also mention "doing [their] duty to God", and they only allow Christians. If one looks at this, that's basically saying "If you're not Christian, you can't live here" for the US. And if you don't think that's a logical correlation, the Boy Scouts don't allow gays, either. Many states are trying to outlaw gay marriage, and some already have. See it now? I think we'd be better off just having the government, at most, only touch on their original, Deist beliefs. Nowhere, ever, do the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, or the Bill of Rights contain the word, "God". THey only contain "creator", and that's only when necessary. This concludes my rant... for now. Next poster, the soapbox is yours.

[Ken-Chan]

i have to agree with you religion is becoming controlling over society and people are doing what they want in the name of "god" it's crap. There are also all these little cults popping up everywhere which consist of a small society that possibly could pose a threat to other beliefs, and there is the worst of the lot SCIENTOLOGY is stupid crappiest piece of crap i have ever heard of it's a just a joke.

i'm not saying we shouldn't have religions i just think we need to stop tip toeing around them encase we "offend" them. our lives shouldn't be restricted because of the beliefs of some religious nut job

[Issitheus]

L. Ron Hubbard, the creator of Scientology, was actually quoted as saying, "If someone truly wanted to become rich in this country, all they'd have to do was invent a religion."

[Ken-Chan]

HAHAHAHA it's so true

hmmm another subject i know what are your thoughts on the war in IRAQ

[Adjacent Badger]

I think we should have opened up and cooperated with the Baath regime. Not that I'm a supporter of totalitarian regimes, but I see several advantages of cooperation.

1.
Interaction reduces prejudices and enhances the understanding of the counterpart. If the Western world's culture was less alien to the population, its political system would also be easier to accept.

2.
Being inside the country on peaceful, legal terms and in contact with the civil population would give a much better feel of what was going on in the country.

3.
If there had been direct relations with the civil society, it would have been much harder for the regime to control the monetary flows in the country.

4.
If living standards was improved on a basis, that the regime could not maintain on its own, it would also be more vunerable to international pressure, since it would face civil discontent if isolated.

5.
If we had had a foot inside the power structure for years, it would be possible to make a great leap towards democracy and human rights, once Saddam Hussein was to pass power on. A general characteristics of a despot is, that they make themselves the center of the power structure, leaving a gap once the are gone.


Of course this should have started way back, at least in 1980. Back then, the west supported the regime militarily in it's war against the new theocratic regime in Iran. Afterwards the western engagement ceased, thus leaving a strong military powerstructure, while the regime completely dominated the civil society.

Had the First World used the chance to make Iraq a long term economic partner, much sorrow could have been avoided. Unfortunately, such considerations was not a part of the common discourse during the cold war.

[Jazean]

our first five presidents where deist and that worked just fine, after that we had a christian run thats been going basically ever since broken only by a few presidents that got shot during there terms.

basically, the rules we started with no longer apply, at least that's what our politicians seem to think until they get caught.

[Divine Dragoon]

I say we should have glassed the place (sand turns to glass at high temp you get the idea) they are the enemy we should treat them as such as for religion it's a superstion of old days past kinda like a blanky or a teddy bear we as a hole need to grow up and make human kind adults

[Issitheus]

"Thou shalt not kill", but more murders have been committed in the name of religion than anything else.

[abyssion1337]

I got this idea today, and this topic is kind of like Random Rants, but with a more serious (*gasp*) direction. Here's where we rant and rave about stuff that's worth ranting and raving about. As an example, look at some of Odessa's posts. See what this topic is about? (No offense, Odessa.)

I'll start by giving my thoughts about religion in the USA.

Five words: SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
Religion has become such a big part of daily life. Now, if someone who ISN'T Christian tries to run for President (or most any other major office, for that matter) would lose, no matter what their views were. Every day, students are forced to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, which clearly shows religious affection, with the simple line, "under God". The Boy Scouts also mention "doing [their] duty to God", and they only allow Christians. If one looks at this, that's basically saying "If you're not Christian, you can't live here" for the US. And if you don't think that's a logical correlation, the Boy Scouts don't allow gays, either. Many states are trying to outlaw gay marriage, and some already have. See it now? I think we'd be better off just having the government, at most, only touch on their original, Deist beliefs. Nowhere, ever, do the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, or the Bill of Rights contain the word, "God". THey only contain "creator", and that's only when necessary. This concludes my rant... for now. Next poster, the soapbox is yours.
Hey Iss, a bit of what you said doesn't count under separation of church and state, the Boy Scouts are a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION; they have the right to refuse anyone they want, is it right, HELL NO, but you're invalidating your argument by mentioning them. In fact while you're on the right side of this argument you're doing it in completely the wrong way for anyone to believe anything other than: "This guy has no idea what he's talking about."

[acutekat]

ignorance


the bible says thouh shalt not murder

not kill

plus the seculars should stop complaining about every last little thing that isn't secular

I am a boy scout and i know more aethists in that orginaztion that anywhere else

they don't force anything

stop acting like your being repressed

this thread is going to get me in sooooo much trouble

[acutekat]

oh and to the person who would have "talked" to the baath regime


all that they are is a carbon copy of nazism adapted to the middle east

[FnkyWlkrDrtyTlkr]

I have to agree with tim on this one. I too am a boyscout and I have met HINDU boyscouts. They ENCOURAGE christianity, but don't force it.

And the Baath regime? Seriously?? The only difference between them and Germany(1929-1945 edition) is that they don't speak German, thoough I wouldnt suggest it to 'em

BY THE WAY, co-operation with other countries isnt a "get out of jail free card". The cold war happened between to allies, who became un-allies because they hated each others ideals. Which reminds me, what do they call us over there? White devil or something or other? Case and point.

[Issitheus]

"With respect to positions limited to professional Scouters or, because of their close relationship to the mission of Scouting, positions limited to registered members of the Boy Scouts of America, acceptance of the Declaration of Religious Principle, the Scout Oath, and the Scout Law is required. Accordingly, in the exercise of their constitutional right to bring the values of Scouting to youth members, the Boy Scouts of America will not employ atheists, agnostics, known or avowed homosexuals, or others as professional Scouters or in other capacities in which such employment would tend to interfere with the mission of reinforcing the values of the Scout Oath and the Scout Law in young people."
Copied and pasted directly from the BSA's legal page (http://www.bsalegal.org/duty-to-god-cases-224.asp).

[Kuwabara]

...so you just have to be strait and religious....

[acutekat]

Employ not take money from

[FnkyWlkrDrtyTlkr]

Issi, its kind of like signaling with your hands on a bike, your SUPPOSED TO, but nobody enforces it. Much like the BSA, THEY DONT ENFORCE IT...for the most part.

They do kick out homosexuals however, since in the BSA they tend to molest kids...

[Odessa]

religion is evil. it must be stopped.

war is evil too. it must be stopped.


if only things were that simple, huh?

[Tazuto]

my thoughts on how lame and boring i am have doubled.....

[abyssion1337]

religion is evil. it must be stopped.

war is evil too. it must be stopped.


if only things were that simple, huh?
there's nothing wrong with religion just people, people just use religion as an excuse blame them

[Ken-Chan]

i dont mind if people have there own beliefs just DONT KILL SOMEONE FOR IT

[Divine Dragoon]

how on earth are us fighting about boy scouts? ???

[Ken-Chan]

who cares just accept that the world is to big and there is nothing you can ever do to change it

[acutekat]

wow very pessimistic attitude there

everyone changes the world
everyone


no matter how small or insignificant they may seem

[FnkyWlkrDrtyTlkr]

Indeed. Chaos Theory in theory.

[abyssion1337]

wow very pessimistic attitude there

everyone changes the world
everyone


no matter how small or insignificant they may seem

that's just a lie people tell themselves when they feel insignificant to feel better

[Odessa]

you jsut tell yourself that, dear.

[abyssion1337]

but it's true

[Odessa]

shh, the big people are talking now. have a cookie.

[abyssion1337]

when you're pejorative like that I tend to get sarcastic and that won't end well for anyone

[Odessa]

oh no! not sarcasm!! whatever will we do!!!



wait, where have i heard of sarcams before?

oh right!

point: lighten up.

[abyssion1337]

ok I see you're just in the mood to be annoying towards me

[Ken-Chan]

i think this moment calls for a hug

...............anyone hug

aww no one wants to hug

[Odessa]

oh relax abyss. seriously, if i didn't know better, i'd say you needed to get laid already.

[abyssion1337]

oh relax abyss. seriously, if i didn't know better, i'd say you needed to get laid already.
oh I see so things only go in one direction now: you've got to be the worlds biggest hypocrite

[Odessa]

gee, thanks for the vote of confidence. why is it the more i try to help, the angrier you seem to be?

[Ken-Chan]

come on guys i think we need to chill

obviously you two havn't been getting along well for a while so ur both going to have to find a way to sort it out of just avoid each other

i hate seeing friends fight i wish u guys could be friends again

[abyssion1337]

I'm finding it unreasonably hard to get a good read on her

[Ken-Chan]

well people arn't like books we cant be predicted well not any of my friends any way but mine arn't the most normal of people but this quarrel has to be settled either way

[Odessa]

I'm finding it unreasonably hard to get a good read on her


odd. I don't think I've changed much, if at all. do i seem different to you?

[abyssion1337]

I'm finding it unreasonably hard to get a good read on her


odd. I don't think I've changed much, if at all. do i seem different to you?
a bit

[acutekat]

DRM IS EVIL


back on topic

[Odessa]

what are your thoughts about global warming?

[abyssion1337]

actually I think Kat jsut brought up DRM which is something that we should certainly discuss

[acutekat]

DRM is the one thing everyone on this site can agree on (hate as the case may be)

[abyssion1337]

DRM is the one thing everyone on this site can agree on (hate as the case may be)
I'd imagine so, I know I'm against DRM quite strongly in fact

[Odessa]

i have no idea what DRM is.

[Ken-Chan]

i second that motion

[abyssion1337]

i have no idea what DRM is.


i second that motion
THEN FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH IT IMMEDIATELY, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT

[Ken-Chan]

then tell me wat it is so i can research

[Odessa]

(shrugs)

[Ken-Chan]

vicky where is all ur knowledge on random things i thought i could rely on you

[Odessa]

eh. don't care. i'm too apathetic today to bother looking it up with just an abreviation to go on.

[abyssion1337]

I'm heavily disappointing in you both, you're on the internet which easily the best place to get information on it

[Odessa]

I'm heavily disappointing in you both, you're on the internet which easily the best place to get information on it


my point silly, was with only three letters to go on, I don't what i'd be looking up. you know those initials can stand for over a dozen things according my wiki/google serach? i'm not that interested to read up on that many pages worth of information just to guess at what you are talking about. if you gave me something concrete, then i might look it up, but saying i love the DSC and hate HRC without explaing what that means is not going to help anyone know what i'm talking about.

[abyssion1337]

trust me once it's pretty obvious which one I'm talking about

[Odessa]

do you think i would have psoted all THAT if it was obvious to me?

[abyssion1337]

do you think i would have psoted all THAT if it was obvious to me?
yes if only to prove a point

[Odessa]

prove a point? what? you're talking in riddles making us guess, and i'm trying to make a point?

[Issitheus]

DRM=Digital Rights Management (I think). It's like the protection against disc copying and stuff like that. But that's just off the top of my head.

[Ken-Chan]

not as nearly entertaining as i had hopped

[abyssion1337]

it's a bit more than that but that's the most important bit

[Odessa]

so what's the issue then?

[abyssion1337]

the fact that it's a violation of people's rights

[Odessa]

i still don't follow you. it violates whose rights now? start making sense already, pleas.e

[Ken-Chan]

what have they done to violate peoples rights

[abyssion1337]

here's an article it should clarify some of this but you guys are being uncharacteristically thick-headed about this
http://www.eff.org/issues/drm

[Ken-Chan]

thanks thats always been one of my strong points

[imphic]

Thank you for the link to the article. It seems like a stupid move by the companies/legislators that I imagine will eventually be struck down in court.

[Odessa]

allow me to re=pharse then:

yes, copyright laws are stupid. that's a no brainer. what's the issue here?

[abyssion1337]

allow me to re=pharse then:

yes, copyright laws are stupid. that's a no brainer. what's the issue here?
read the damn article I posted a link to

[Issitheus]

I had to write a paper last year about whether or not copyright laws were good. Being the pirate I am, I strongly dislike them. But, since it was a school paper, I couldn't have that as a piece of evidence. So, I just went with, "Well, copyright laws are broken too much for it to possibly be stopped, so they should just do away with them."

[imphic]

I don't think we should go as far as abolishing copyright laws, since the creators of the expression of an idea should be entitled to some of the profits from them. I'll admit that I'm hypocrite here in watching illegally uploading videos, but if creators don't have a protection for their intellectual property, they would have little incentive for creating it.

[abyssion1337]

I don't think we should go as far as abolishing copyright laws, since the creators of the expression of an idea should be entitled to some of the profits from them. I'll admit that I'm hypocrite here in watching illegally uploading videos, but if creators don't have a protection for their intellectual property, they would have little incentive for creating it.
DRM goes WAY too far though

[imphic]

I agree. The fair use exception should continue for things such as parody, documentary, education, etc.

[Ken-Chan]

this is also another thing we can't change but i wish we could

what part of censorship do u hate the most

[abyssion1337]

this is also another thing we can't change but i wish we could

what part of censorship do u hate the most
actually DRM is something we can change, there have been countless rallies against it

[Issitheus]

**** censorship

[abyssion1337]

**** censorship
this has nothing to do with sensorship

[Issitheus]

Kenny brought it up...

[Odessa]

so um, how about... um.... that other isuee....people care about...

[abyssion1337]

we could talk about how the best way to save the world is to blow up NYC

[Odessa]

i don't think counts as 'saving' the world, watchmen reference be damned.

[Issitheus]

we could talk about how the best way to save the world is to blow up NYC

such an event would wipe out .07% or the world's population... DO IT!!!

[abyssion1337]

yeah they also used it in Heroes, it was nice

[Odessa]

i subscibe with the idea that two wrongs don't make a right. sacrificing a few million people doesn't make anything 'right."

[imphic]

yeah they also used it in Heroes, it was nice

I think NYC is trying to catch up with Japan in the number of times it has been destroyed (long way to go of course, but it must be the closest).

[Issitheus]

yeah they also used it in Heroes, it was nice

Speaking of, Heroes is getting REALLY ****ING GOOD.

[Divine Dragoon]

I had to write a paper last year about whether or not copyright laws were good. Being the pirate I am, I strongly dislike them. But, since it was a school paper, I couldn't have that as a piece of evidence. So, I just went with, "Well, copyright laws are broken too much for it to possibly be stopped, so they should just do away with them."


And yet you post it here........Good Job! haha

[abyssion1337]

yeah they also used it in Heroes, it was nice

Speaking of, Heroes is getting REALLY ****ING GOOD.
good they had a significant drop after the first season

[Divine Dragoon]

yeah they also used it in Heroes, it was nice

Speaking of, Heroes is getting REALLY ****ING GOOD.
good they had a significant drop after the first season


haha I got board with it during the first :D

[Ken-Chan]

aww i loved first and 3rd season

[abyssion1337]

but yeah, the second season had so many problems

[Odessa]

(sits in the corner and waits for topic to become relevant again).

[Divine Dragoon]

(sits in the corner and waits for topic to become relevant again).


what are your thoughts on fighting for your country or fighting for your government?

I'll fight for my country but not for the government

(befor anyone wines think of red dawn)

[abyssion1337]

(sits in the corner and waits for topic to become relevant again).


what are your thoughts on fighting for your country or fighting for your government?

I'll fight for my country but not for the government

(befor anyone wines think of red dawn)
I once fought for independence, we lost so now I'm the captain of a spaceship

[Divine Dragoon]

come on really?

[abyssion1337]

yeah

[Ken-Chan]

i havn't fought for much lately

[abyssion1337]

i havn't fought for much lately
that's cause fighting is bad

[imphic]

I can imagine fighting for pay. If I can't get a job that pays a living wage I'm going to seriously consider enlisting.

[abyssion1337]

I can imagine fighting for pay. If I can't get a job that pays a living wage I'm going to seriously consider enlisting.
you could also use the military as a way for paying for college

[imphic]

Good point. There is also pension and other benefits.

[Ken-Chan]

pension sucks u dont get enough :P

[imphic]

I should also factor in the cons of lose of personal freedom and being in a dangerous environment.

[FnkyWlkrDrtyTlkr]

If your going military go with the Navy

They give you a cap of 40 gran to go to college wherever you want and it is by far the safest branch out there at this point.

[imphic]

Isn't Coast Guard safer? I suppose it might not have as much for benefits though.

[Divine Dragoon]

Isn't Coast Guard safer? I suppose it might not have as much for benefits though.


Drug runners and pirates are what the cost guard deals with the most and they have the fire power to give the guard a run for there money the coast guard are basically the police fire dept and EMT's on the US cost

and for the last time Think of the movie RED DAWN that's what im referring to as in would you get all hippy love the guys that are killing us (that seems to be so popular these days) or would you stand and fight "My enemy is just that My enemy so treat them as such."

[Ionzorg]

Isn't Coast Guard safer? I suppose it might not have as much for benefits though.

Drug runners and pirates are what the cost guard deals with the most and they have the fire power to give the guard a run for there money the coast guard are basically the police fire dept and EMT's on the US cost

Don't forget Cuban cigar runs. :P We don't need to deal with those swarthy Cubans up in Canada, we can get Cubans at our local retailer near you. Or...me. Therefore, probably safer for us. But seriously, our military/naval forces are not the best or highly staffed in the world. In all fairness, however, *brace for nationalism* ours probably do a bit more good for the world than yours, on the whole.

=O

[Ken-Chan]

god u gotta love those bloody Cubans

[imphic]

god u gotta love those bloody Cubans

Think Tony Montana.

[Odessa]

Tell me all your thoughts on God.

As I'm on my way to see her.

[Ken-Chan]

Tell me all your thoughts on God.

As I'm on my way to see her.




like hell you are i will kill death if i have to so u will live how does tat sound

anyway i dont believe in "GOD" as the one depicted in religiouse text

i just think there is a higher being than us, there has to be i want there to be, because i am scared of death, i fear the thought of nothin so i wish for there to be something

[abyssion1337]

I don't share that sentiment, but I'm sure you guys know this by now: death is a beautiful thing.

as for god I suppose I don't have any outside of Hastur and Haruhi(so no, I don't have any real gods)

[Ken-Chan]

death is a necessity in life, but i fear death because it is unknown i dont know wat is going to happen so i fear it like most of humanity we fear the unknown

[abyssion1337]

death is a necessity in life, but i fear death because it is unknown i dont know wat is going to happen so i fear it like most of humanity we fear the unknown
you just said that, anyway I'm not changing my thoughts, and I disagree that humanity fears the unknown, as a whole there are about a hundred different perspectives on that

[Ken-Chan]

ok well wat are your thoughts on that Japanese dude that wanted to marry an anime chick

[acutekat]

lol

[Issitheus]

lol

well said.

[Ken-Chan]

well thanks for the conversation guys

[abyssion1337]

this thread has gone from a recitation attempt to necrophilia

[acutekat]

yay necrophilia http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll296/acutekat/awesome256-1.jpg

[Divine Dragoon]

yay necrophilia http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll296/acutekat/awesome256-1.jpg


YAHOO!!!!!! hehe

[BopBopBop]

Necro? Philia?

i got an idea about what it is.. but i really hope im wrong..

TO GOOGLE!

edit: oh god! of all the sick things ive heard of this takes the cake...

[Divine Dragoon]

Necro? Philia?

i got an idea about what it is.. but i really hope im wrong..

TO GOOGLE!

edit: oh god! of all the sick things ive heard of this takes the cake...


Haha hey look up Goro that might win! haha

[BopBopBop]

you mean Guro? im not that stupid.

[Divine Dragoon]

you mean Guro? im not that stupid.


It does to pit tho right? (you sick bastard I bet you beat off to that stuff)

[BopBopBop]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/Nightmare30/Funny%20stuff/facepalm.jpg

seriously...... thats simply impossible.....

[Ken-Chan]

i dont like where this thread is and it makes me think of where it can go and i dont like that either

this thread is EVIL

[BopBopBop]

dude youre in hell... what the hell did you expect?

[Ken-Chan]

thats a good point :P

BRING ON THE EVIL

[BopBopBop]

i think i have a pic of a catgirl getting killed somewhere.


evil enough?

[Ken-Chan]

i think i cried a bit then

[BopBopBop]

here it comes..http://img3.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/3678/367850364fbb9697732abc6eec4db02267ff95c.png (http://www.uploadhouse.com/viewfile.php?id=3678503&showlnk=0)
what do you think?

[Ken-Chan]

so sad
http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/pri0003/ab551c32c85bcf0f0a8bdb87285b107d123.jpg