Neomalysys
01-06-2012, 09:09 AM
If you guys haven't heard there is a bill in the us House of Reps called the Stop Online Piracy Act that would allow the government to black access to websites that have a claim of copyright infringement posted against them. This bill is opposed by many major internet companies including Google, Facebook, and Twitter. The first link below is to a video on YouTube the second to the Wikipedia article on this subject.
http://youtu.be/1w6GtwOvnWM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act

jinzo64
01-06-2012, 09:30 AM
i get the point he's making but i can't stand rap music.
i don't think the goverment should be aloud to a regulate the internet in such away.
but we do need to try and stop piracy i'm just not sure how.

Kaiju
01-06-2012, 10:27 AM
The sad part is we cannot stop piracy, as long as commerce has existed, so has piracy, and it evolves with every new method of enforcement becoming stronger. SOPA and Protect IP won't stop Piracy, it will only effect Internet users like us in horrific ways, while the Pirates can still hack and get the materials via other mean.

SOPA is a bull**** bill, our government is ****ing stupid for even THINKING of trying to pass it. And the person responsible for the bill is dumbfounded why we all hate it so damn much. At least Obama said he's going to Veto it if it gets to his desk, and if it does get passed the Supreme Court SHOULD shoot it down for infringing the first amendment.

Zetsubou-Chan
01-06-2012, 10:39 AM
The sad part is we cannot stop piracy, as long as commerce has existed, so has piracy, and it evolves with every new method of enforcement becoming stronger. SOPA and Protect IP won't stop Piracy, it will only effect Internet users like us in horrific ways, while the Pirates can still hack and get the materials via other mean.

SOPA is a bull**** bill, our government is ****ing stupid for even THINKING of trying to pass it. And the person responsible for the bill is dumbfounded why we all hate it so damn much. At least Obama said he's going to Veto it if it gets to his desk, and if it does get passed the Supreme Court SHOULD shoot it down for infringing the first amendment.

That's exactly what I'll say, yes this bill is complete bull****

jinzo64
01-06-2012, 10:45 AM
The sad part is we cannot stop piracy, as long as commerce has existed, so has piracy, and it evolves with every new method of enforcement becoming stronger. SOPA and Protect IP won't stop Piracy, it will only effect Internet users like us in horrific ways, while the Pirates can still hack and get the materials via other mean.

SOPA is a bull**** bill, our government is ****ing stupid for even THINKING of trying to pass it. And the person responsible for the bill is dumbfounded why we all hate it so damn much. At least Obama said he's going to Veto it if it gets to his desk, and if it does get passed the Supreme Court SHOULD shoot it down for infringing the first amendment.

this is all true.

and when did Zetsubou become so street.

Zetsubou-Chan
01-06-2012, 10:48 AM
Since always my friend

Guthix
01-06-2012, 10:55 AM
this copyright stuff is bad as it already is

jinzo64
01-06-2012, 10:59 AM
i just hope this bill doesn't get passed.

W_a_S_y_L
01-06-2012, 11:40 AM
http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/internet-memes-sopa.png

Neomalysys
01-18-2012, 08:24 AM
http://youtu.be/Bp8S8eJkMW8
This is important for all gamers on this site.

Kaiju
01-18-2012, 10:10 AM
Wikipedia is doing it's blackout today, as is Google, but dA is being a stickler and just having a discussion on SOPA. :<

Hats003
01-18-2012, 10:32 AM
I don liek it wen pubis hair is all over the Sopa

hosokawa37
01-18-2012, 12:51 PM
^ random. and such a hypnotizing sig, though not as much as mine x3

anyway, this bill better not pass. I always wanted to live in Japan if I was given the opportunity, but this bill passes, and I would in a heartbeat xD

Hats003
01-18-2012, 12:58 PM
^ random. and such a hypnotizing sig, though not as much as mine x3

anyway, this bill better not pass. I always wanted to live in Japan if I was given the opportunity, but this bill passes, and I would in a heartbeat xD

Tough **** for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X61e0xAlfQY

hosokawa37
01-18-2012, 01:05 PM
ive been to japan b4; hence y i wouldnt mind living there lol. b a couple years b4 that happened though lol

!Je$u$!
01-18-2012, 01:55 PM
the people behind SOPA are a bunch of R TARDS, i think they are doing this crap out of sheer boredom. Damn trolls

vejtornado
01-18-2012, 02:22 PM
The worse effect that this could have is on the Jimquisition (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/5202-SOPA-Approved)

regnier
01-18-2012, 02:47 PM
call me stupid if you want but will sopa will affect anime streaming?

Gentleman Bystander
01-18-2012, 03:24 PM
If the political process actually listend to angry phone calls and online petitions, the Patient Protections and Affordable Care act, Troubled Asset Relief Program, and Second Quantitative Easing never would have happened. The issue with this move is both sides of the argument are equally unreasonable and equally unwilling to concede points to the other and have reduced the debate to catch phrases and jingoism. And, of course, the public is horribly informed about what the law entails and are relying on angry foaming at the mouth blogs and "internet activism" to get the story, reducing the level of intelligent debate even further to place it on par with a pair of slugs having angry sex.

jinzo64
01-18-2012, 03:26 PM
sopa will effect everything.
mainly video and music streaming sites but everything.
they'll be able to see what your buying on ebay and amazon.

Shibbidah
01-18-2012, 03:49 PM
If anyone (In the U.S.) wants to do something about it, call your senator and tell them to vote against SOPA/PIPA.

AK, Lisa Murkowski, 907-456-0233
AL, Jefferson Sessions, 334-244-7017
AL, Richard Shelby, 205-759-5047
AR, John Boozman, 479-725-0400
AR, Mark Pryor, 501-324-6336
AZ, Jon Kyl, 602-840-1891
AZ, John McCain, 602-952-2410
CA, Barbara Boxer, 510-286-8537
CA, Dianne Feinstein, 415-393-0707
CO, Michael Bennet, 303-455-7600
CT, Richard Blumenthal, 860-258-6940
CT, Joseph Lieberman, 860-549-8463
DE, Thomas Carper, 302-573-6291
DE, Chris Coons, 302-573-6345
FL, Bill Nelson, 407-872-7161
FL, Marco Rubio, 305-418-8553
GA, C. Saxby Chambliss, 770-763-9090
GA, John Isakson, 770-661-0999
HI, Daniel Akaka, 808-522-8970
HI, Daniel Inouye, 808-541-2542
IA, Charles Grassley, 515-288-1145
IA, Thomas Harkin, 515-284-4574
ID, Michael Crapo, 208-334-1776
ID, James Risch, 208-342-7985
IL, Richard Durbin, 312-353-4952
IL, Mark Kirk, 312-886-3506
IN, Daniel Coats, 317-554-0750
IN, Richard Lugar, 317-226-5555
KS, Pat Roberts, 913-451-9343
KY, Mitch McConnell, 502-582-6304
KY, Rob Portman, 361-576-1231
LA, Mary Landrieu, 225-389-0395
LA, David Vitter, 337-262-6898
MA, Scott Brown, 617-565-3170
MA, John Kerry, 617-565-8519
MD, Barbara Mikulski, 410-962-4510
ME, Susan Collins, 207-945-0417
ME, Olympia Snowe, 207-874-0883
MI, Carl Levin, 313-226-6020
MI, Debbie Stabenow, 517-203-1760
MN, Al Franken, 651-221-1016
MN, Amy Klobuchar, 612-727-5220
MO, Roy Blunt, 816-471-7141
MO, Claire McCaskill, 816-421-1639
MS, Thad Cochran, 601-965-4459
MS, Roger Wicker, 601-965-4644
MT, Max Baucus, 406-657-6790
MT, Jon Tester, 406-449-5401
NC, Richard Burr, 910-251-1058
NC, Kay Hagan, 336-333-5311
ND, Kent Conrad, 701-258-4648
ND, John Hoeven, 701-250-4618
NE, Mike Johanns, 308-632-6032
NE, E. Benjamin Nelson, 402-441-4600
NH, Kelly Ayotte, 603-622-7979
NH, Jeanne Shaheen, 603-647-7500
NJ, Frank Lautenberg, 973-639-8700
NJ, Robert Menendez, 973-645-3030
NM, Jeff Bingaman, 505-346-6601
NM, Tom Udall, 505-346-6791
NV, Dean Heller, 775-686-5770
NV, Harry Reid, 702-388-5020
NY, Kirsten Gillibrand, 212-688-6262
NY, Charles Schumer, 212-486-4430
OH, Sherrod Brown, 216-522-7272
OK, James Inhofe, 918-748-5111
OK, Tom Coburn, 918-581-7651
OR, Jeffery Merkley, 503-326-3386
PA, Robert Casey, 570-941-0930
PA, Pat Toomey, 610-434-1444
RI, John Reed, 401-943-3100
RI, Sheldon Whitehouse, 401-453-5294
SC, Jim DeMint, 864-233-5366
SC, Lindsey Graham, 864-250-1417
SD, Tim Johnson, 414-276-7282
SD, John Thune, 605-334-9596
TN, Lamar Alexander, 615-736-5129
TN, Bob Corker, 423-756-2757
TX, John Cornyn, 512-469-6034
TX, Kay Hutchison, 214-361-3500
UT, Orrin Hatch, 801-524-4380
UT, Mike Lee, 801-524-5933
VA, Mark Warner, 804-775-2314
VA, James Webb, 804-771-2221
VT, Patrick Leahy, 802-863-2525
VT, Bernard Sanders, 802-862-0697
WA, Patty Murray, 206-553-5545
WI, Ron Johnson, 605-332-8896
WI, Herbert Kohl, 414-297-4451
WV, Joe Manchin, 304-342-5855
WV, John Rockefeller, 304-347-5372
WY, John Barrasso, 307-261-6413
WY, Michael Enzi, 307-682-6268

Gentleman Bystander
01-18-2012, 03:50 PM
sopa will effect everything.
mainly video and music streaming sites but everything.
they'll be able to see what your buying on ebay and amazon.

You think they can't already see that?

jinzo64
01-18-2012, 03:58 PM
erm that would be an invasion of my privacy.
wouldn't it.
quick question shibs where did you get all those phone numbers?

ComradeChamberlain
01-18-2012, 05:01 PM
http://theoatmeal.com/ dis sums it up nicely

jinzo64
01-18-2012, 06:24 PM
that does work nicley.

Neomalysys
01-18-2012, 08:51 PM
Sent an email to my congressman last night hope it works.

Kaiju
01-18-2012, 08:59 PM
My EFFing congressman now sends me his ****ing newsletter after I emailed. Guess who I'm not reelecting...

Tazuto
01-18-2012, 09:24 PM
sign these!!!!!

http://fightforthefuture.org/pipa/

https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/

Azure_Xeq
01-19-2012, 01:10 AM
While I must admit I'm a little bit more concerned than before, they'll just die like ACTA and COICA did last fall.

NodMan
01-19-2012, 01:25 AM
That is what a lot of people thought about Prohibition, look how that turned out.

AKALink
01-19-2012, 01:29 AM
I was thinking about calling my congressman, but since many sites are posting her number to call it and I live in a state with high population I think I'll just be put on the waiting list.

LOLWTFBBQ
01-19-2012, 02:01 AM
I emailed mine, not lets hope that New Mexico gives a ****

Neomalysys
01-19-2012, 02:28 AM
My guy is one of the dems the republicans are trying to get rid of in texas.

Gentleman Bystander
01-19-2012, 02:50 AM
That is what a lot of people thought about Prohibition, look how that turned out.

Obama has already said as much as "I'll veto it" and thats if it manages to get through the house and senate, which it wouldn't as is. This is just a shell game, Its an election year coming up, both sides of the aisle are playing sides against each other for campaign contributions. Hollywood and the RIAA have a boner for this thing, the internet is foaming at the mouth over it. Its basically one cherry picked federal judge away from being killed if it does get signed, and even then the most you'll see out of this is tighter scrutiny on the fair-use clause and the pirate bay having to go underground.

This baby is, in the long run, unenforcable in most forms, just expect for it to be harder to find songs on youtube.

blades34AK
01-19-2012, 04:53 AM
SOPA, great I thought my troubles were over when coming back from work. Now "THIS" first PC hack lost files for project, now new obstacle, well I know Barbara won't do a thing, and gotta hand it to the Aztecs, when they meant 2012 I didn't see this coming. Well better get started on going against this SOPA, the future of net culture is at stake.

N.P.C.C.
01-19-2012, 05:14 AM
It's a great sign that Obama blatantly says he will not support that legislation.

Kaiju
01-19-2012, 01:30 PM
Well, Obama also said he wouldn't pass the NDAA... and Guess what he passed?

Pain
01-19-2012, 06:24 PM
hmm do you guys no the most Gorrible of this?

If sopa would become true, Even AMV HELL would be in dangerous ....

SOPA WOULD BE THE END OF AMV-HEL!!!!!!!!

Guthix
01-19-2012, 06:25 PM
yes yes someone already cried that pain

Neomalysys
01-19-2012, 09:07 PM
SOPA because if old people can't understand somthing they must kill it.

Lmckay023
01-19-2012, 09:22 PM
if SOPA and/or Pippa is passed then its pretty much the end of AMV Hell and the internet in general

regnier
01-19-2012, 09:31 PM
*say something really offensive about SOPA*

thedarkmessenger
01-20-2012, 12:15 AM
http://maddox.xmission.com/

^this

regnier
01-20-2012, 12:17 AM
tl:dr

thedarkmessenger
01-20-2012, 12:18 AM
tl;dr version: Even if we stop SOPA now, it won't do jacks*** in the long run. We'll just have to fight again and again and again and....

regnier
01-20-2012, 12:41 AM
we will fight and we will fight no matter how many time it need to be done. because the internet is the last place people still have a freedom of speech. no matter how many time they will try to stop us we will be there to get up and say no. no matter what kind of ****ty excuse they will give us, we will say no with a single voice. just who the hell do you think we are!!!
http://i22.tinypic.com/s150kn.jpg

SplitReality
01-20-2012, 12:42 AM
Epic.

havrd
01-20-2012, 12:44 AM
a bill in Norway tried this sort of crap about a year ago. Lets just say, they have a drill-sized hole in their face.

ROWROW

thedarkmessenger
01-20-2012, 12:45 AM
Except....there are FAR better ways to actually fight it than calling senators and signing worthless petitions :|

regnier
01-20-2012, 12:46 AM
but doing this is called terrorism

thedarkmessenger
01-20-2012, 12:47 AM
......what?

SplitReality
01-20-2012, 12:47 AM
Justifiable homicide in the line of duty.

regnier
01-20-2012, 12:51 AM
im not again a little bloodbath. but saying this might sound a little hard for some people

thedarkmessenger
01-20-2012, 12:52 AM
I have no idea what you two are talking about. When did I mention anything about killing?

regnier
01-20-2012, 12:53 AM
i did by saying the best way to fight again them is called terrorism

SplitReality
01-20-2012, 01:00 AM
I personally prefer assassination of the key instigators.

adracamas
01-20-2012, 01:08 AM
Well.. seeing as it didn't pass the ignorant Government went and started a Cyber-war.

http://gizmodo.com/5877679

NLAlchemist
01-20-2012, 01:10 AM
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- In one of the U.S. government's largest anti-piracy crackdowns ever, federal agents on Thursday arrested the leaders of and shut down Megaupload.com, a popular hub for illegal media downloads.

Hours later, Megaupload's fans turned the table on the feds. "Hacktivist" collective Anonymous said it set its sights on the U.S. Department of Justice and apparently knocked the agency's website offline. WOW!!

ComradeChamberlain
01-20-2012, 01:24 AM
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/394784_316866508358583_127295683982334_984264_8235 72433_n.jpg

adracamas
01-20-2012, 01:26 AM
There was a lot more than one site bumped from the face of the 'net

regnier
01-20-2012, 01:26 AM
you know it will just slow them down. you kill one, ten more ****roach with take there place the next day.

NLAlchemist
01-20-2012, 01:27 AM
you know it will just slow them down. you kill one, ten more ****roach with take there place the next day.

So So true!!!!

thedarkmessenger
01-20-2012, 01:28 AM
agreed.

bloodlover1987
01-20-2012, 02:01 AM
I say we grape the **** out of it...........

Gentleman Bystander
01-20-2012, 05:26 AM
SOPA/PIPA will NOT be the end of AMV hell...read

One of the rights accorded to the owner of copyright is the right to reproduce or to authorize others to reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords. This right is subject to certain limitations found in sections 107 through 118 of the copyright law (title 17, U. S. Code). One of the more important limitations is the doctrine of “fair use.” The doctrine of fair use has developed through a substantial number of court decisions over the years and has been codified in section 107 of the copyright law.

Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered fair, such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Section 107 also sets out four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular use is fair:

The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes
The nature of the copyrighted work
The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole
The effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value of, the copyrighted work
The distinction between fair use and infringement may be unclear and not easily defined. There is no specific number of words, lines, or notes that may safely be taken without permission. Acknowledging the source of the copyrighted material does not substitute for obtaining permission.

The 1961 Report of the Register of Copyrights on the General Revision of the U.S. Copyright Law cites examples of activities that courts have regarded as fair use: “quotation of excerpts in a review or criticism for purposes of illustration or comment; quotation of short passages in a scholarly or technical work, for illustration or clarification of the author’s observations; use in a parody of some of the content of the work parodied; summary of an address or article, with brief quotations, in a news report; reproduction by a library of a portion of a work to replace part of a damaged copy; reproduction by a teacher or student of a small part of a work to illustrate a lesson; reproduction of a work in legislative or judicial proceedings or reports; incidental and fortuitous reproduction, in a newsreel or broadcast, of a work located in the scene of an event being reported.”

Copyright protects the particular way authors have expressed themselves. It does not extend to any ideas, systems, or factual information conveyed in a work.

The safest course is always to get permission from the copyright owner before using copyrighted material. The Copyright Office cannot give this permission.

When it is impracticable to obtain permission, use of copyrighted material should be avoided unless the doctrine of fair use would clearly apply to the situation. The Copyright Office can neither determine if a certain use may be considered fair nor advise on possible copyright violations. If there is any doubt, it is advisable to consult an attorney.



FL-102, Reviewed November 2009

blades34AK
01-20-2012, 07:01 AM
Well I found out my state rep. is against it, sorry I ever doubted you Barbara.

jinzo64
01-20-2012, 01:58 PM
it doesn't realy effect me at the moment but if sopa/pipa gets passed in the usa somthing simalar might be proposed for the u.k

Arock
01-20-2012, 07:29 PM
in case you didnt already know http://mashable.com/2012/01/20/sopa-is-dead-smith-pulls-bill/

Guthix
01-20-2012, 07:41 PM
hooray?

regnier
01-20-2012, 07:43 PM
we might have won this round but they will be back with more stupid stuff

hosokawa37
01-20-2012, 07:46 PM
sweetness

and yea, but hopefully they will propose a better one, or hopefully just drop it lol

MADEVIL
01-20-2012, 07:52 PM
random sopa fun
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/588261


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJIuYgIvKsc

abyssion1337
01-20-2012, 09:06 PM
Boycott E3 until the ESA pulls its support from SOPA

abyssion1337
01-20-2012, 09:10 PM
SOPA/PIPA will NOT be the end of AMV hell...read

One of the rights accorded to the owner of copyright is the right to reproduce or to authorize others to reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords. This right is subject to certain limitations found in sections 107 through 118 of the copyright law (title 17, U. S. Code). One of the more important limitations is the doctrine of “fair use.” The doctrine of fair use has developed through a substantial number of court decisions over the years and has been codified in section 107 of the copyright law.

Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered fair, such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Section 107 also sets out four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular use is fair:

The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes
The nature of the copyrighted work
The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole
The effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value of, the copyrighted work
The distinction between fair use and infringement may be unclear and not easily defined. There is no specific number of words, lines, or notes that may safely be taken without permission. Acknowledging the source of the copyrighted material does not substitute for obtaining permission.

The 1961 Report of the Register of Copyrights on the General Revision of the U.S. Copyright Law cites examples of activities that courts have regarded as fair use: “quotation of excerpts in a review or criticism for purposes of illustration or comment; quotation of short passages in a scholarly or technical work, for illustration or clarification of the author’s observations; use in a parody of some of the content of the work parodied; summary of an address or article, with brief quotations, in a news report; reproduction by a library of a portion of a work to replace part of a damaged copy; reproduction by a teacher or student of a small part of a work to illustrate a lesson; reproduction of a work in legislative or judicial proceedings or reports; incidental and fortuitous reproduction, in a newsreel or broadcast, of a work located in the scene of an event being reported.”

Copyright protects the particular way authors have expressed themselves. It does not extend to any ideas, systems, or factual information conveyed in a work.

The safest course is always to get permission from the copyright owner before using copyrighted material. The Copyright Office cannot give this permission.

When it is impracticable to obtain permission, use of copyrighted material should be avoided unless the doctrine of fair use would clearly apply to the situation. The Copyright Office can neither determine if a certain use may be considered fair nor advise on possible copyright violations. If there is any doubt, it is advisable to consult an attorney.



FL-102, Reviewed November 2009

Fair Use is very badly written though and given that it already doesn't protect a lot of the people it should you're pretty much wrong. Moreover SOPA would allow lots of people to circumvent Fair Use again because both are badly written. All that aside, we protest SOPA because we believe in a free internet, not one controlled by any governing body.

Neomalysys
01-20-2012, 09:18 PM
^ Agreed, many people have been taken to court by large media corporations for alleged copyright infringement when they were clearly protected by fair use. The truth is these companies believe fair use shouldn't exist and that they should get paid for any use of their content fair use or not.

abyssion1337
01-20-2012, 11:31 PM
SOPA has been postponed indefinitely however it will be back, there's already talk of moving parts of SOPA to the anti-child pornography act

Kaiju
01-20-2012, 11:33 PM
SOPA has been postponed indefinitely however it will be back, there's already talk of moving parts of SOPA to the anti-child pornography act

Will that act effect Loli images? If so... sorry Reg, Zuii and Split. :(

EDIT: Yep. It states that it will restrict Loli images as well. But it has a ton of opponents in terms of how it seeks to block sites and such.

regnier
01-21-2012, 12:50 AM
child pronography is the most horrible thing there is in this world, but lolis really? it just drawing, if someone see that as child porn, you much be the kind of moron who think games make kids futur serial killers and gay peoples are demons

abyssion1337
01-21-2012, 01:06 AM
I can think of way worse things than child pornography, it's really bad, like it make the top 10 worst things in the world but really most horrible? Is it worse than War? What about Genocide?

Besides if this act was only aimed at stopping child pornography that would be fine but like most bills they target way too much and give it a name that would want to make people vote on it.

Backmask
01-21-2012, 01:12 AM
child pronography is the most horrible thing there is in this world, but lolis really? it just drawing, if someone see that as child porn, you much be the kind of moron who think games make kids futur serial killers and gay peoples are demons

I agree and disagree with your statement. The illustrations do depict children performing sexual acts, so, regardless of how you see it, it's child pornography. Sure, if the girl is stated to be the appropriate age or older than whatever the legal age is in your location, then it would make for a solid argument, but if they are adolescents performing the sexual acts, then, as I said before, it's child pornography.

regnier
01-21-2012, 01:15 AM
sadly it in human nature to kill. but to rape a child, sorry but i cant forgive this.

Backmask
01-21-2012, 01:17 AM
sadly it in human nature to kill. but to rape a child, sorry but i cant forgive this.

Actually, quenching their lustful thirsts is also in the humans' nature; however, it's slightly easier to suppress.

abyssion1337
01-21-2012, 01:51 AM
You do not want to frame this as a human nature thing. Backmask is wrong though, Killing is less human nature than lust.

regnier
01-21-2012, 01:56 AM
i dont really mind killing a rapist/**** if i could get out with never been caught

abyssion1337
01-21-2012, 02:02 AM
I couldn't help but notice you have a loli with her panties down in your sig.

regnier
01-21-2012, 02:12 AM
it a loli, not a really child, try to make the difference. and if you know that scene she have her panties down and threat aoki (her teacher) that if he dont do want she want, she gonna scream and say he rape her. yes i like rin but i put that scene in my sig because this moment in the anime shock me how she can be evil. try to watch episode 1 at 11:40 to look at that scene.

Neomalysys
01-21-2012, 03:24 AM
Yep she is a mini psycho bitch. The fact is not all loli is sexual. Some series like Kiss Players which is considered Transformers canon in Japan features characters in their 20's that are drawn as lolis. The fact is unless it is unless it is graphically sexual most loli stuff can be defended as art. Example loli getting ****ed could equal child porn, but a loli in a bikini wouldn't equal porn. Its all in how the images are depicted.

Gentleman Bystander
01-21-2012, 06:03 AM
Fair Use is very badly written though and given that it already doesn't protect a lot of the people it should you're pretty much wrong. Moreover SOPA would allow lots of people to circumvent Fair Use again because both are badly written. All that aside, we protest SOPA because we believe in a free internet, not one controlled by any governing body.

I'm starting to get the feeling nobody actually read the proposed law. Fair Use is not poorly writen, its deliberately vague. By being deliberately vague it gives people latitude and retards possible tort cases and a ridiculous liteny of cease and desist orders everytime some 16 year old girl decides to post her Harry Potter shipper montage with Evanesence playing. SOPA isn't going to change that aspect of the internet, what it IS going to do is make sure that Federal Copyright Protection statutes actually get enforced. The idea that the internet is somehow immune to regulation is just laughable, every first world nation on this planet regulates communication, and if said communication is being utilized to break or circumvent a law, it will get clamped down on. So if SOPA passes, you won't be able to get bootlegged pre-release copies of Transformers IV: Jesus Christ Another One?! from of The Pirate Bay. In turn the studio enjoys a larger profit margin and doesn't have to pass on the expense of the movie to everyone else by cranking up licening fees to cable companies and communication associated ISPs which in turn increases our bill at the end of the month.

A bunch of ignorant 20-something bloggers have turned what is effectively enforment for the "FBI Warning" into "ZOMG tehy r gunna kill teh internet!!1! Protect ur free speach!!" without actually paying attention to the fact that possession/distribution of stolen property is NOT covered in the first amendment. So yeah, if Moot isn't willing to police the place better, 4chan will get shut down. Rapidshare will likely go the way of the dinosaur unless they put on a file size cap or thoroughly monitor uploads. Your preferred porn site will likely get blocked by ISPs if its not domestic/paying for its posted content. But I'll go ahead and say it again, there isn't a set of laws out there, ANYWHERE, that says you have an inalienable right to break the law, and none of it has anything to do with Free Speech.

Neomalysys
01-21-2012, 07:34 AM
SOPA gave copyright holders the ability to effectively shutdown a website over claimed copyright infringement with little evidence and without having to tell the offending site about the supposed infringement. Currently if a copyright holder believes there is infringement they first have to issue a cease and desist order and then take the person to court so that both sides can state their case before a judge. SOPA basically turns the legal system from innocent until proven guilty to guilty until proven innocent basically destroying one of the principles the United States was founded on maybe Mr. Bystander you should read the laws you are trying to defend. Until SOPA can be narrowed down it can't be enforced because it is too broadly worded to effectively do what it is designed for.

abyssion1337
01-21-2012, 07:53 AM
I'm starting to get the feeling nobody actually read the proposed law. Fair Use is not poorly writen, its deliberately vague. By being deliberately vague it gives people latitude and retards possible tort cases and a ridiculous liteny of cease and desist orders everytime some 16 year old girl decides to post her Harry Potter shipper montage with Evanesence playing. SOPA isn't going to change that aspect of the internet, what it IS going to do is make sure that Federal Copyright Protection statutes actually get enforced. The idea that the internet is somehow immune to regulation is just laughable, every first world nation on this planet regulates communication, and if said communication is being utilized to break or circumvent a law, it will get clamped down on. So if SOPA passes, you won't be able to get bootlegged pre-release copies of Transformers IV: Jesus Christ Another One?! from of The Pirate Bay. In turn the studio enjoys a larger profit margin and doesn't have to pass on the expense of the movie to everyone else by cranking up licening fees to cable companies and communication associated ISPs which in turn increases our bill at the end of the month.

A bunch of ignorant 20-something bloggers have turned what is effectively enforment for the "FBI Warning" into "ZOMG tehy r gunna kill teh internet!!1! Protect ur free speach!!" without actually paying attention to the fact that possession/distribution of stolen property is NOT covered in the first amendment. So yeah, if Moot isn't willing to police the place better, 4chan will get shut down. Rapidshare will likely go the way of the dinosaur unless they put on a file size cap or thoroughly monitor uploads. Your preferred porn site will likely get blocked by ISPs if its not domestic/paying for its posted content. But I'll go ahead and say it again, there isn't a set of laws out there, ANYWHERE, that says you have an inalienable right to break the law, and none of it has anything to do with Free Speech.

I could listen to you who has demonstrated that you've done exactly accused others of doing; it's clear you haven't read those bills either. It's really you who are the idiot. It wasn't a bunch of random bloggers who came to this conclusion, it was experts both in law and technology and both. Everything you've said has pretty much shown me that you don't actually know what you're talking about, you're just taking the stance that's opposite the popular position. Fair Use was intentionally vague yes BUT it's still poorly written and being intentionally vague pretty much means that anyone claiming fair use can be contested and since Copyright holders have more money than random internet people claiming fair use. Moreover fair use never comes into play because the people who own the sites that host this material also just give in to copyright holders whether or not fair use comes into play. Basically if anything's moot it's Fair Use, it's a law that doesn't work except for in a few rare cases. Really you're saying one thing but it's not only counter-logic it just also doesn't mesh with the way things actually work.

Guthix
01-21-2012, 08:58 AM
Actually, quenching their lustful thirsts is also in the humans' nature; however, it's slightly easier to suppress.

i find it funny how ppl find part of theyr own self as a sin, next thing you know taking a **** would be a crime,personaly id like these morons to stop wasting time on fighting mother nature and kill something not created by it, like war or cigarets.

NodMan
01-21-2012, 10:12 AM
How about we kill he Government officials for starters?

Guthix
01-21-2012, 10:14 AM
aint trained to use firearms unfortunatly

MADEVIL
01-21-2012, 10:14 AM
i approve of your plan nodman

NodMan
01-21-2012, 01:39 PM
Victory for free games!

http://lakeconews.com/content/view/23290/919/


aint trained to use firearms unfortunatly

Take me a couple hours to teach you.

jinzo64
01-21-2012, 02:14 PM
i say we press the big red button to destroy the idiots in power.

Veran
01-21-2012, 09:46 PM
aint trained to use firearms unfortunatly

Training? It's simple:

Rule 1: never point it at anything you don't want destroyed and/or are unable to fix/pay for.

After that, it takes a couple seconds to show you where the ammo goes, and which part is the trigger, about five minutes to show you how to actually hit something, and off you go.

Now, to actually become any good with a gun... takes a bit of time.

Guthix
01-21-2012, 09:51 PM
Training? It's simple:

Rule 1: never point it at anything you don't want destroyed and/or are unable to fix/pay for.

After that, it takes a couple seconds to show you where the ammo goes, and which part is the trigger, about five minutes to show you how to actually hit something, and off you go.

Now, to actually become any good with a gun... takes a bit of time.

i know that ****, my parents are from the military, but each gun has dif properties, i dont even remember where the safety is on the simple handgun or how to load it [ i coulda sworn my mom showed me once] and i never realy shot real bullets [just blank ones] even so im not that acurate as far as i shot with an air gun.personaly i prefer bows cause you can make your own, infite ammo in the forest and legal ^^
[Edit] also rule 1 needs dont point up

Veran
01-21-2012, 09:59 PM
i know that ****, my parents are from the military, but each gun has dif properties, i dont even remember where the safety is on the simple handgun or how to load it [ i coulda sworn my mom showed me once] and i never realy shot real bullets [just blank ones] even so im not that acurate as far as i shot with an air gun.personaly i prefer bows cause you can make your own, infite ammo in the forest and legal ^^
[Edit] also rule 1 needs dont point up

Your're pretty much set, then. Better than an average soviet in the forties. Just get one of them MAS 36, they don't have a safety to worry about.

Distict5-9
01-21-2012, 10:14 PM
Or, you just get yourself a mounted Gatling gun (I think it's as legal as owning a handgun...) and hope that everything within eyesight is a target. Also, save up some money, as everybody knows it costs 400000 dollars to fire it for 12 seconds...

Guthix
01-21-2012, 10:15 PM
lol soviets just threw meat in the enemy lines expecting they would run out of bullets or drown in blood, i still want my skull intact

Distict5-9
01-21-2012, 10:18 PM
lol soviets just threw meat in the enemy lines expecting they would run out of bullets or drown in blood, i still want my skull intact

Hey, it worked at Pavlov's house (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlov%27s_House)...

Guthix
01-21-2012, 10:40 PM
lol kick corpses so they dont use them as cover

Veran
01-22-2012, 08:50 PM
lol kick corpses so they dont use them as cover

The entire allied invasion of italy consisted of shooting them, then stabbing them so they would'nt rise randomly once passed and shoot back.

Deathsaurus1989
01-22-2012, 11:43 PM
The bill hasn't even passed yet, and they already took out megaupload...

abyssion1337
01-23-2012, 01:16 AM
Megaupload had nothing to do with SOPA (and what they were doing was already illegal, you can look up more information)

jinzo64
01-23-2012, 03:09 PM
i forget when are they putting SOPA to a vote?

havrd
01-23-2012, 04:13 PM
Tomorrow i think (Im from norway, so i dont really care. Dont trust me)

jinzo64
01-23-2012, 04:19 PM
erm i'm in england but i'm still interested in whats going on with sopa

Pain
01-23-2012, 06:15 PM
You dont have to worrie about SOPA. Its already dead. Now the new thing is the son of SOPA, OPEN ^^

abyssion1337
01-24-2012, 01:57 AM
SOPA was postponed indefinitely, it's not gone and it's certainly not dead, just keep an eye out for similar bad legislation in the coming months.

Kaiju
01-24-2012, 03:27 AM
Here we go again: http://knowyourmeme.com/videos/28923-anti-counterfeiting-trade-agreementacta

N.P.C.C.
01-24-2012, 03:54 AM
What i don't get is why don't the government just start copy protecting every file to limit it's ability to be duplicated between computers/mediums? If they really want to fight piracy, that would do the job in a fair enough manner as i doubt all the people who pirate are smart enough to break the copy protection, and those who do would necessarily go through the trouble involved to share with someone else. Do you guys think this would work? I know it doesn't sound fool proof but it's way better to what they are trying to do. I'm starting to believe they are computer stupid.

These laws are starting to go beyond illegally downloading some crappy song.

abyssion1337
01-24-2012, 04:25 AM
Companies have file protection like that, it's not a government thing and pirates break that anyway, so you're wrong that it's not done and that it would be an effective countermeasure.

Antonio Black
01-24-2012, 05:17 AM
SOPA should be easy to disarm with the First Amendment...but the way they wrote it out its so vague that its hard to really present any solid arguments without any lawmakers assuming you're jumping to conclusions.

N.P.C.C.
01-24-2012, 09:08 AM
Companies have file protection like that, it's not a government thing and pirates break that anyway, so you're wrong that it's not done and that it would be an effective countermeasure.

Fair enough. I've yet to really witness such limits myself first hand. That's all.

jinzo64
01-24-2012, 10:35 AM
i'm glad sopa has been postponed indefinitely.

Guthix
01-24-2012, 03:16 PM
since copyright protectors cant win vs pirates cuz it just cost them money while pirates have free time, intead theyr trying to block the sea routes [the internet] meaning either they lost hope or too greedy to continue fighting pirates

jinzo64
01-25-2012, 11:49 AM
we do have to find away to stop piracy.
especialy the ones that are making money.
piracy is every where we all do it to some extent like you might stream anime or read manga online without ever paying for it.
i watch bleach online.
but i also buy the box sets and manga and other associated tack.

Distict5-9
01-25-2012, 05:24 PM
So, looks like SOPA's gone for now...

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/404308_232063256872917_165903193488924_538040_1603 079891_n.jpg

The plan probably worked...

Neomalysys
01-25-2012, 09:07 PM
For anyone wondering about Megaupload the thing is they said they were removing copyrighted content when they weren't and that the reason they weren't doing so was because the copyrighted content brought in more revenue for their company than the non-copyrighted material. The government also got ahold of some documents and recordings that proves that the guys that owned Megaupload knew they were making profit from copyrighted material and that they should continue to pretend that they were following the law and removing the content. This is why I believe people shouldn't make profit off amv's becuase when it's free they have less of a case aginst you and you can more easily claim protection under the law.

jinzo64
01-26-2012, 12:10 AM
i see thats what happened with megaupload.

WerewolfOfAnime
01-26-2012, 02:29 AM
The bright side is, SOPA and PIPA seem like they've been put to the side for the moment, because of the huge internet protest. Problem is, ACTA is still a problem, and it's international.

Kaiju
01-26-2012, 02:32 AM
International...and much...MUCH worse than SOPA or PIPA.

jinzo64
01-26-2012, 09:36 AM
o.k i'm going to guess that acta is the international version of sopa and pipa.
if that is the case they shove acta where the sun don't shine.

MADEVIL
02-07-2012, 09:48 AM
First Megaupload, now BTJunkie shuts down
BTJunkie Shuts Down (http://gizmodo.com/5882571/giant-torrent-index-btjunkie-shuts-down)

jinzo64
02-07-2012, 09:51 AM
what was BTjunkie?

Guthix
02-07-2012, 09:52 AM
First Megaupload, now BTJunkie shuts down
BTJunkie Shuts Down (http://gizmodo.com/5882571/giant-torrent-index-btjunkie-shuts-down)

*fires up mp3 rocket*

MADEVIL
02-07-2012, 09:58 AM
Since you don't check links jinzo. BTJunkie was an advanced BitTorrent search engine operating between 2005 and 2012. It used a web crawler (similar to Google) to search for torrent files from other torrent sites and store it in its database. It had nearly 4,000,000 active torrents and about 4,200 torrents added daily (compared to runner-up Torrent Portal with 1,500), making it the largest torrent site indexer on the web.During 2011, BTJunkie was the 5th most popular BitTorrent site.

jinzo64
02-07-2012, 10:12 AM
oh i see thanks for that.
i know i should check links but just can't be bothered

MADEVIL
02-07-2012, 10:14 AM
i figured you were being lazy so i had to pick on you

jinzo64
02-07-2012, 10:21 AM
i thought you being rather nice towards me.

Guthix
02-07-2012, 10:24 AM
dont be fooled he is mad.... and evil

jinzo64
02-07-2012, 10:25 AM
oh your right but i think hes realy a nice guy

MADEVIL
02-07-2012, 10:26 AM
it would be boring without you jinzo

jinzo64
02-07-2012, 10:31 AM
realy i didn't think i was all that interesting or exciting.
you make me so happy
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2085/2146661394_419624802e.jpg

Guthix
02-07-2012, 10:35 AM
*facepalm*

glory of llama
02-07-2012, 10:41 AM
Oh.... I used btjunkie alot... this is terrible news :(

jinzo64
02-08-2012, 09:52 AM
i just got a copy right infringment notice from youtube for uploading the 12 intro to bleach.
but thing is i originaly got from youtube and there quite a few versions of it still on youtube.
so what happened why was i hit when other ones havn't?