[N.P.C.C.]

I gave a dark perspective on relationships to my sociology teacher once stating that love in the way it is defined is impossible to obtain in real world terms due to it being something that is apparently unconditional and everlasting...It is the product of fairy tale books and the concept to me becomes just as fictional in that regard. Thus, i see love as an unrealistic emotion/feeling as it can indeed die. To me this means that love is in fact tolerance.

Yes, i got labeled the psycho in class due to this but dammit it's what i believe.

[Guthix]

I gave a dark perspective on relationships to my sociology teacher once stating that love in the way it is defined is impossible to obtain in real world terms due to it being something that is apparently unconditional and everlasting...It is the product of fairy tale books and the concept to me becomes just as fictional in that regard. Thus, i see love as an unrealistic emotion/feeling as it can indeed die. To me this means that love is in fact tolerance.

Yes, i got labeled the psycho in class due to this but dammit it's what i believe.

oh my god!i cant stop laughing!
[edit] ok ive calmed down, i just could keep a straight face at this sheer irony.

"love in the way it is defined is impossible to obtain in real world terms due to it being something that is apparently unconditional and everlasting"
love without a reason is unaffected by time. why?time moves and everything changes, if one hold a reason to "love" something it will be changed due time.when there is no reason it cant dispear thus the effects of time are void.this is the conclusion ive made while being striven by insanity.

now onto my point.while im overjoyed that im not a single one who holds similar concept what is true love the fact that it doesnt egzist is buging me.apart from the fact that there are always anomalities i hold my self the love of no reason.logicaly its stupid ,but it egzists, it doesnt go away and im not sure if ill ever be able to explain it.

i do have a theory thought. people like to create illiusions for themselves to cope with life [denial, egoism, depresion, anything that makes you avoid the truth which hurts], some are so strong they make the person insane as they can no longer fully control them.so like cant love be one of them? a thing sought by many which is actualy more like a curse?
anyway you made my day

[N.P.C.C.]

I'm pretty sure that's how they acted inside too but it made them think that's for damn sure.

[Guthix]

a question of curiosity why do you care what they think?

[LawRayLiet]

I gave a dark perspective on relationships to my sociology teacher once stating that love in the way it is defined is impossible to obtain in real world terms due to it being something that is apparently unconditional and everlasting...It is the product of fairy tale books and the concept to me becomes just as fictional in that regard. Thus, i see love as an unrealistic emotion/feeling as it can indeed die. To me this means that love is in fact tolerance.

Love is not unconditional. At least romantic love usually isn't. Now, is love everlasting? Unlikely, but what is forever, but 60 years together?(In terms of average human life span)
To say "Love is Tolerance", is cynical and an obvious falsity.

[Guthix]

Love is not unconditional. At least romantic love usually isn't. Now, is love everlasting? Unlikely, but what is forever, but 60 years together?(In terms of average human life span)
To say "Love is Tolerance", is cynical and an obvious falsity.

i believe to most people it requires conditions.but doesnt stand for all.
as for death, technicaly it cant stop after passing away, yet it doesnt egzist either.its similar to a question what would happen if an unstopable object met a unmovable one.since its a stale mate i just choose the forever part for my own taste.

[N.P.C.C.]

a question of curiosity why do you care what they think?

I wouldn't have said a damn thing in the class discussion if i did. Just not gonna deny it garnered weird looks.


Love is not unconditional. At least romantic love usually isn't. Now, is love everlasting? Unlikely, but what is forever, but 60 years together?(In terms of average human life span)
To say "Love is Tolerance", is cynical and an obvious falsity.

Then look at it this way, love in itself isn't what people think. Love is tolerating someone in spite of themselves. (the extent of the real world) When you stay with someone who's an abuser/killer/bad person ect no one ever thinks it may be because they have deluded themselves into thinking they love them. (which usually is the case) Also, notice that i can believe in the concept of infatuation but as you should know, that can only go so far.

You can write it off as false as much as you like but i'll just keep looking at things like the divorce rates and laughing my ass off.

Also, when i say it's unconditional, i'm pretty sure i meant in terms of what you strive for in physical attraction.

[Guthix]

while i believe theyr reaction is abit unjust im not surprized you came to such a conclusion.
love is a very questionable subject and commonly mistaken by lust, eye candy and pity[and this one falls under your tolerance]

[N.P.C.C.]

Guts, that is why when you bring up this argument people who think they are in love will write it off immediately without considering it (not implying law falls in that category). It's not just a random thought as this perspective has been instilled in me for quite some time.

[Guthix]

well im sorry that i dont have any of the "facts" , this topic didnt even interested me in the past untill i was striken.
besides with the number of divorsion and EX's therese days who the **** do ppl think they are to tell me im wrong.

[N.P.C.C.]

When i said "you" i was referring to a person in general. My bad.

[SleeplessPanda]

Love's not meant to be eternal. You can love your mother, because she cared for you and raised you, but at the same time she could do something so horrible and evil somewhere down the line that makes you not love her anymore (maybe she murdered a bunch of school children and didn't regret it). As far as romantic relationships go, it's hard to differentiate sometimes when someone has genuine feelings of love toward someone or if it's just infatuation. Personally I think if someone lost their sex drive completely, but they would still do anything and die for the person they consider their soul mate, that's love. This is assuming they care for this person and this isn't some sort of obsessive blind loyalty. Which brings me to another point, and that's stalkers. Stalkers can feel they're in love with someone, it doesn't even have to be a sexual thing, but in reality they're just insane. So . . love is like an onion, it's a multi-layered complicated emotion that you really can't slap a definition on. Love can mean different things to different people. I have a certain idea of what I think love is, but other people might think differently and they might be right, or they could be wrong, or I could be right, or I could be wrong, or maybe love is just a combination of smaller emotions and-*BRAIN ****ING EXPLODES* . . . . . . *Ahem.* Humanity's been around for a long time, and if we're STILL asking ourselves "What is love?", then we're never going to have a true answer that everyone will be happy with. In my opinion though, to simply say that "love = tolerance" and that is all, I would say you're being somewhat ignorant on the history of love and the complicated nature of the subject.

[thedarkmessenger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVmbhYKDKfU

[N.P.C.C.]

I'm ignorant now? -_- I feel it necessary to comment on the fact that those who disagree with me on this saw it fit to belittle my statement so far after stating their own besides allowing the statement they made to stand on its own. Nice.

Also, nice panda. You state everyone has a different opinion on love than proceed to **** on mine. Smart.

- You seem to be missing the point panda. It's not about how you or me see it, it's how human's primarily define it as a whole. And that results in a concept improbable to obtain in the real world.

- While it may not be eternal, that is how we have glorified it.

- People DID slap a definition on it and as it stands, it's bull ****!

- Your scenario's are irrelevant.


I don't think i should really indulge such a flawed opinion with a counter argument. Either way, their is NOTHING complicated about it. Love is Bull ****! Glorified nonsense that human beings themselves make fun of in its many forms. You want love? Read Cinderella or watch a harem anime. About as close as you're gonna get.

My thinking basically comes down to webster needing to get off his/her/it/****'s ass and setting the record straight.

[thedarkmessenger]

To me, love is one of those things you have to feel/experience for yourself in order to believe in it

[Haar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVmbhYKDKfU

I knew I should've posted that earlier. I left the house for 10 minutes and someone beat me to it.

[N.P.C.C.]

To me, love is one of those things you have to feel/experience for yourself in order to believe in it

Fair enough but i don't need to **** santa to believe in him. >_> Okay, bad joke.

[thedarkmessenger]

I knew I should've posted that earlier. I left the house for 10 minutes and someone beat me to it.

Sorry. Couldn't resist :D



Fair enough but i don't need to **** santa to believe in him. >_> Okay, bad joke.


.....what?

[N.P.C.C.]

Sorry. Couldn't resist :D





.....what?

It was a badly thought out joke. Forget it. I was kidding about that being something to think about though.

Edit: I meant i wasn't. My bad i'm off tonight. >_> I actually never considered that.

[SleeplessPanda]

I'm ignorant now? -_- I feel it necessary to comment on the fact that those who disagree with me on this saw it fit to belittle my statement so far after stating their own besides allowing the statement they made to stand on its own. Nice.

Also, nice panda. You state everyone has a different opinion on love than proceed to **** on mine. Smart.

- You seem to be missing the point panda. It's not about how you or me see it, it's how human's primarily define it as a whole. And that results in a concept improbable to obtain in the real world.

- While it may not be eternal, that is how we have glorified it.

- People DID slap a definition on it and as it stands, it's bull ****!

- Your scenario's are irrelevant.


I don't think i should really indulge such a flawed opinion with a counter argument. Either way, their is NOTHING complicated about it. Love is Bull ****! Glorified nonsense that human beings themselves make fun of in its many forms. You want love? Read Cinderella or watch a harem anime. About as close as you're gonna get.

My thinking basically comes down to webster needing to get off his/her/it/****'s ass and setting the record straight.

Well I'm glad after centuries of the world's greatest philosophers pondering the true meaning of love, that we can finally put it all to rest since you've come up with this pessimistic emo' theory that you're so certain is fact. Don't announce such a flawed mentality and expect everyone to praise you for your radical new way of thinking (which by the way isn't that revolutionary there's always been social outcasts who have came to your same conclusions), especially when you approach the subject with such a sarcastic and spiteful attitude. Your views are as "irrelevant" as my scenarios and thoughts on love, even more so being you talk about love like you're some teenage girl who just got dumped for the first time. If you want a better perspective on what love is, try asking elderly people who have had a lifetime to experience it in all its shapes and forms. Quite frankly, I can obviously see how your class would consider your thoughts somewhat insane. Maybe you shouldn't be advertising your ravings on the internet if you're not prepared for the negative feedback.

[thedarkmessenger]

Well I'm glad after centuries of the world's greatest philosophers pondering the true meaning of love, that we can finally put it all to rest since you've come up with this pessimistic emo' theory that you're so certain is fact. Don't announce such a flawed mentality and expect everyone to praise you for your radical new way of thinking (which by the way isn't that revolutionary there's always been social outcasts who have came to your same conclusions), especially when you approach the subject with such a sarcastic and spiteful attitude. Your views are as "irrelevant" as my scenarios and thoughts on love, even more so being you talk about love like you're some teenage girl who just got dumped for the first time. If you want a better perspective on what love is, try asking elderly people who have had a lifetime to experience it in all its shapes and forms. Quite frankly, I can obviously see how your class would consider your thoughts somewhat insane. Maybe you shouldn't be advertising your ravings on the internet if you're not prepared for the negative feedback.
This coming from the guy who complains about negative feedback on his videos...

[SleeplessPanda]

This coming from the guy who complains about negative feedback on his videos...

That was the old me. This is new Panda. New Panda tells it like it is. :cool:

[thedarkmessenger]

That was the old me. This is new Panda. New Panda tells it like it is. :cool:

I'll believe it when I see it....

[bloodlover1987]

well panda is right ... but npcc is entitled to his opinion also maybe hes been hurt by someone or he just hasn't had the chance to find true love i don't know but i know its real because im living it and have been living it for 5 plus years .. remember kids don't be emo like guts have some loves in your hearts

[thedarkmessenger]

I gotta admit. When I first saw the title of this topic, I thought he was referencing My Little Pony xP

[SleeplessPanda]

I'll believe it when I see it....

We're going off topic. So wouldn't you consider C.C.'s rants similar to those of a hormonal teenage girl suffering from her first broken heart? I've seen this before, the whole "love's fake, love's only for fairy tales and beautiful people" mentality. It's a slippery slope, why not give "courage" the same treatment? What is courage? Is it really the power to overcome the difficult things in life, the inner strength to swallow one's fears and press on, or is it just some sugar coated sunny concept pushed on us by Hollywood to make us go watch action movies? See what I mean?

[thedarkmessenger]

Don't drag me down with you, Panda. C.C. is entitled to his opinions and beliefs. I'm NOT going to attack him because his opinion is different from mine. Besides, like I said earlier: Love is one of those things you have to experience yourself.

[SleeplessPanda]

I gotta admit. When I first saw the title of this topic, I thought he was referencing My Little Pony xP

This thread would've been 20% better if it had been about FIM'. -.-;

[thedarkmessenger]

We have a separate thread for pony stuff, though :o

[N.P.C.C.]

Well I'm glad after centuries of the world's greatest philosophers pondering the true meaning of love, that we can finally put it all to rest since you've come up with this pessimistic emo' theory that you're so certain is fact. Don't announce such a flawed mentality and expect everyone to praise you for your radical new way of thinking (which by the way isn't that revolutionary there's always been social outcasts who have came to your same conclusions), especially when you approach the subject with such a sarcastic and spiteful attitude. Your views are as "irrelevant" as my scenarios and thoughts on love, even more so being you talk about love like you're some teenage girl who just got dumped for the first time. If you want a better perspective on what love is, try asking elderly people who have had a lifetime to experience it in all its shapes and forms. Quite frankly, I can obviously see how your class would consider your thoughts somewhat insane. Maybe you shouldn't be advertising your ravings on the internet if you're not prepared for the negative feedback.

LMFAO! Panda...I always knew you were kinda a hypocrite but...god damn!

First off. Don't compare me to you. I posted an opinion and am objectively arguing without being the least mad/condescending (which people on the net forgot how to do) about the differing ones aside from the childish and uncalled for stabs at the end. Again, your opinions were fine on their own but you had to go and devalue them by trying to belittle mine. Again, nice try. Like we don't see that **** on the internet already. Find a new trick, yo.

Despite what you might think, the discussion in class was kept quite adult and no childish B.,S. like you tried to pull happened. I even alleviated the tension myself by stating it was a dark perspective after i said it. (in class and here) I felt i would encourage people to counter me in a respectful manner if i did and wouldn't you know it? That's what happened. (in class at least) Notice that i'm cool with opinions i don't share even if they directly rival mine, but i damn sure don't need to insult others to strengthen my argument. Maybe i expected too much from you and
going by your last post. I really don't take you seriously anymore.

This might surprise you panda. But some people aren't scared of the internet or what others think of them in general. Not everyone has such low self esteem as you.

Edit: If i'm self aware of it being a dark perspective tell me how the hell am i emo?

[SleeplessPanda]

LMFAO! Panda...I always knew you were kinda a hypocrite but...god damn!

First off. Don't compare me to you. I posted an opinion and am objectively arguing without being the least mad/condescending (which people on the net forgot how to do) about the differing ones aside from the childish and uncalled for stabs at the end. Again, your opinions were fine on their own but you had to go and devalue them by trying to belittle mine. Again, nice try. Like we don't see that **** on the internet already. Find a new trick, yo.

Despite what you might think, the discussion in class was kept quite adult and no childish B.,S. like you tried to pull happened. I even alleviated the tension myself by stating it was a dark perspective after i said it. (in class and here) I felt i would encourage people to counter me in a respectful manner if i did and wouldn't you know it? That's what happened. (in class at least) Notice that i'm cool with opinions i don't share even if they directly rival mine, but i damn sure don't need to insult others to strengthen my argument. Maybe i expected too much from you and
going by your last post. I really don't take you seriously anymore.

This might surprise you panda. But some people aren't scared of the internet or what others think of them in general. Not everyone has such low self esteem as you.

Edit: If i'm self aware of it being a dark perspective tell me how the hell am i emo?

I don't think i should really indulge such a flawed opinion with a counter argument =3

But seriously, delusional and as hypocritical as you state my arguments are. There's nothing mature about your way of thinking or how you've responded to my comments. How you maintain such an aura of superiority and righteousness while behaving in such a manner must be directly related to an undeserved inflated ego. The pot, calling the kettle black, and pretending it's so much better than the kettle. You're hardly even a pot, you're more of a spatula, and I'm not so much a kettle, I'm a toaster. You could never hope to achieve my levels of bread toasting abilities.

[thedarkmessenger]

You could never hope to achieve my levels of bread toasting abilities.

probably because he doesn't want to hope he loses his bread toasting abilities...

[Haar]

I'm a toaster. You could never hope to achieve my levels of bread toasting abilities.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avU5onrWfYo
Make what you will of that

[thedarkmessenger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avU5onrWfYo
Make what you will of that

I love that video. :D I actually want to buy a toaster that screams "YEAH TOAST!!!" when it's done xD

[SleeplessPanda]

I love that video. :D I actually want to buy a toaster that screams "YEAH TOAST!!!" when it's done xD

I want a toaster that says "HELP I'M BEING VIOLATED! HE'S PUTTING THINGS IN ME! UGGGGGGGH'!". =D

[N.P.C.C.]

I don't think i should really indulge such a flawed opinion with a counter argument =3

But seriously, delusional and as hypocritical as you state my arguments are. There's nothing mature about your way of thinking or how you've responded to my comments. How you maintain such an aura of superiority and righteousness while behaving in such a manner must be directly related to an undeserved inflated ego. The pot, calling the kettle black, and pretending it's so much better than the kettle. You're hardly even a pot, you're more of a spatula, and I'm not so much a kettle, I'm a toaster. You could never hope to achieve my levels of bread toasting abilities.'

...I know i told you to try a new trick but "trolling" me since you can't win? Now i know not to take you seriously anymore.

Edit: You question my maturity level then go on to make an ass out of yourself...

[SleeplessPanda]

'

...I know i told you to try a new trick but trolling me since you can't win? Now i know not to take you seriously anymore.

There isn't even anything to "win", your theory is pure hogwash, you had already lost before even creating this thread. In other words:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EVUPCJwQwA

[Haar]

And here I was thinking I was the only person on this site who saw that movie.

[N.P.C.C.]

See kids? This is what you call trying to save face after doing stupid **** on the internet.

[Neomalysys]

N.P.C.C. Welcome to Hell where any and all threads can get thrown off topic. OT Love is love and life is life. Something different to everybody who witnesses and experiences it.

[thedarkmessenger]

See kids? This is what you call trying to save face after doing stupid **** on the internet.

This

[N.P.C.C.]

N.P.C.C. Welcome to Hell where any and all threads can get thrown off topic. OT Love is love and life is life. Something different to everybody who witnesses and experiences it.

At least it didn't turn into a picture topic.

[thedarkmessenger]

You have no idea how tempted I am to start posting irrelevant pictures xD

[Haar]

At least it didn't turn into a picture topic.

I guess I'll have to be the one to do that
http://i.imgur.com/vk1eo.jpg

[SleeplessPanda]

See kids? This is what you call trying to save face after doing stupid **** on the internet.

So it's like calling someone a troll when they're beating you in a debate and you know your theory isn't getting any support. IIIIIIIIIIrrrronnnnyyyyyyyyy'.

[N.P.C.C.]

You have no idea how tempted I am to start posting irrelevant pictures xD

Only my wife can save this topic!

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z372/NintendoPorn/Jemwallpaper.jpg

[thedarkmessenger]

http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd450/Alex_Merchant/sigpicsandect/lolcated16877338ebd7eee895eb75c38a2f427de6600e.jpg
relevant :P

[SleeplessPanda]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W5D_ptXyBY

[thedarkmessenger]

So it's like calling someone a troll when they're beating you in a debate and you know your theory isn't getting any support. IIIIIIIIIIrrrronnnnyyyyyyyyy'.

Flaming someone is debating?

[SleeplessPanda]

Flaming someone is debating?

Constructive criticism of an obviously flawed logic, not flaming. =3

[N.P.C.C.]

...Apparently.

[thedarkmessenger]

Constructive criticism of an obviously flawed logic, not flaming. =3

what was "constructive" about it?

[SleeplessPanda]

what was "constructive" about it?

Everything. =o

[thedarkmessenger]

......riiiiiiiiiiiight...

[N.P.C.C.]

...I think i'll just let panda try to get himself out of the grave he dug.

[SleeplessPanda]

......riiiiiiiiiiiight...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQfzwFloVqA

[thedarkmessenger]

http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd450/Alex_Merchant/sigpicsandect/dbe9d4f7-04c7-4d5f-8b0f-6d4014f7b010-2.gif 8D

[xIsamuTM]

love: the only thing that stops you from shaking a baby.
love: why you just spent 3 hours playing a game you hate.
love: eating a vegan pizza
love: it's what makes a Subaru a Subaru.

[thedarkmessenger]

love: why you just spent 3 hours playing a game you hate.


How's that love? O_o. Love for trophies/achievements?

[SleeplessPanda]

...I think i'll just let panda try to get himself out of the grave he dug.

I'm still waiting for you to prove how your theory isn't a bunch of bologna. I'm sitting cozy on top of my hill made of logic and reason while you're the one down in the canyon working with this distorted negative view on love which doesn't seem to be backed up by anything besides your belief that society is bad for creating fairy tales and making people believe love is magical and everlasting and how dare Webster's Dictionary try to define it. Yet you seem all too eager to define love as simply being "tolerance", which any normal person will tell you "ARE YOU SERIOUS"? Yeah I just tolerate my family and my girlfriend, there's no deep connections there. Your philosophy is more than "dark", it's just ignorant, and that's not name calling, you are being ignorant.

[xIsamuTM]

because i can't stand shooters, but i'll spend three hours on COD with my son.

[thedarkmessenger]

ah...

[SleeplessPanda]

Don't mind me, just converting this thread into a My Little Pony thread, go about your business:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdHl-HRK9zI

[SleeplessPanda]

No resistance from the locals, inserting more ponies:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjwNDJJB3-A

[Darthelm]

was only a matter of time before the ponies caught wind of you using their phrase

[MADEVIL]

What the hell is all this pony crap, we have a thread for that. Who do we kill for this off topic mess?

[Kaiju]

We already have one pony thread here. We don't need two.
Keep yo' cancer in your own thread, else I know a few members who are more than happy to burn this cancer where it stands.

[LawRayLiet]

Love is tolerating someone in spite of themselves. (the extent of the real world)
You can write it off as false as much as you like

Love can be the driving force behind many actions, not just tolerance. Which I thought to be obvious.
That was the only fact I "wrote off". I addressed your "eternal" and "unconditional" statements.

[Darthelm]

lets just chock this thread up to npcc being an emo bitch shall we?

[MADEVIL]

yes, lets stick with the emotional talk

[SleeplessPanda]

lets just chock this thread up to npcc being an emo bitch shall we?

Agreed, now let's end this with MORE PONIES:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWyjZlui7NQ

[xIsamuTM]

The Encyclopedia Galactica, in its chapter on Love states that it is far too complicated to define. The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of love: Avoid, if at all possible.

[MADEVIL]

I think we all need this shirt now

http://i.imgur.com/4TjfS.png

[SleeplessPanda]

I think we all need this shirt now

http://i.imgur.com/4TjfS.png


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3abMUH_P1E

[xIsamuTM]

man you guys are better than radio sometimes.

[MADEVIL]

http://i.imgur.com/ZyzTS.jpg

[Kaiju]

http://static2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/anti-pony+sure...+I+got+plenty+of+those+_fa608c7ea7406c 90f8e8316e3482c911.gif

[Shadow66]

Because of the title of this thread I knew what was gonna happen. I could have started this earlier but I didn't want to be that guy, but since someone else has there's nothing holding me back now. I would have stayed out of this too (really I would have) but since somepony (thats right I said it) had to say the c word this thread has now been pwnyd (made that up (I think))

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/Shadow0666/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-brony-lovetolerate.png
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/Shadow0666/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-brony-bronies-time-is-running-out.jpg

[MADEVIL]

This is not a pony thread, please stay on topic. The pony fun is over, users are complaining.

[Kaiju]

The pony ****, ends, NOW.
http://th08.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2012/113/3/d/godzilla_raids_ponyville_by_vdnkh-d4x9uoh.png

[Darthelm]

users arent complying mad, stop your bull****

[Shadow66]

Okay okay I'll stop, only cause dat pic is funny :)

[MADEVIL]

you be quiet darth, you don't know what you are taking about

[Darthelm]

i do to, it is all a ruse

[Kaiju]

i do to, it is all a ruse

I am a user and I am complaining. There is no ruse.

[N.P.C.C.]

Love can be the driving force behind many actions, not just tolerance. Which I thought to be obvious.
That was the only fact I "wrote off". I addressed your "eternal" and "unconditional" statements.

Okay, i'm cool with that. But i find the other motivations lead to tolerance eventually too. (Unless i'm pulling circular logic)


I'm still waiting for you to prove how your theory isn't a bunch of bologna. I'm sitting cozy on top of my hill made of logic and reason while you're the one down in the canyon working with this distorted negative view on love which doesn't seem to be backed up by anything besides your belief that society is bad for creating fairy tales and making people believe love is magical and everlasting and how dare Webster's Dictionary try to define it. Yet you seem all too eager to define love as simply being "tolerance", which any normal person will tell you "ARE YOU SERIOUS"? Yeah I just tolerate my family and my girlfriend, there's no deep connections there. Your philosophy is more than "dark", it's just ignorant, and that's not name calling, you are being ignorant.

See? This is why panda. You proclaim me ignorant, egotistic, and all that **** then proceed to make stupid ass post like that? Not following at all the things i have said...Then you follow this trash up by posting pony pictures in here. You don't get it and i'm through with you. You've done nothing but make an ass out of yourself in this topic all night and i honestly feel like an idiot if i indulge this any further. You can say whatever the hell you want but fact is, you are a child and you constantly prove it with every post you make. You can't take criticism, you insult a person who's opinion differs from your own, and your ego has grown insanely large due to a duty you perform on a website.

Point is, you're the worst type of person on the internet and i refuse to waste any more of my time talking to someone like you about this.

[Jazean]

This devolved into yelling so quickly, and I was actually enjoying this thread before that happened.

It might just be right to say that attempting to boil down the equation to something as simple as "Love = Tolerance" is a little to much. Love itself certainly requires Tolerance otherwise you'd never give the person you Love a chance to be around.

This is one of those moments were it'd probably be a good idea to go in depth on the concepts of "Lust", "Limerance", and "Love". And I'll apologize right now, cause the next chunk of text is all my own personal views, and what bits I know and understand of human psychology.

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Lust - can most easily be defined as the physical carnal attraction that is felt towards another. A burning passion, A desire that's so strong you'd do anything for it. You rarely lust after someones mind or personality, it's the base instinct, but it's one of those factors that bring us together as a species. Without it, well, it goes without saying that there would be a serious lack of motivation from the male half of the species.

Limerance - Is the psychological term for the process known in the animal kingdom as "Pair-bonding", we see it in many species it's the link between two members of a species that keeps them together (Eagles for instance). Humans experience this "emotion" as well, but we have a different name for it, we call them "crushes", but speaking from personal experience here, Limerance is much worse than a crush.

There are effective 3 types of relationships in regards to Limerance, the "Non-limerant/Non-limerant bond" in which neither person feels the pull, this is common is simple short term relationships. the "Limerant/Non-Limerant bond" in which one party has strong feelings for the other, these can often be mistaken as feelings of love due to the general symptoms of the condition, and the ever so rare "Limerant/Limerant bond" which can be defined as finding your soulmate, the marriages that last 80+ years, etc etc.

I mention the symptoms of "Limerance", I'm not going to go into detail, there's a wikipedia page for that, needless to say the "standard" duration for the state is in the ballpark of 18 months to about 3 years. This is roughly the point in time many new couple end up getting "divorced" which could be because the relationship was built upon a "Limerant/Non-Limerant bond" and the limerant party has finally lapsed out of it.

Love - for me at least, is the urge to be around someone (AKA Attraction), the ability and urge to understand them (AKA Interest), to be able to forgive this person when needed (AKA, Tolerate), and a willingness to give their happiness priority over your own.

It's not an overwhelming desire, but something you feel. It can be simple and it takes many forms, from the familial to the platonic, to the romantic, and even the unrequited for those of us unlucky to love someone who doesn't feel the same way back.

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To me:

Love = ((Interest + Attraction) * Tolerence)) * (Desire to see them happy)

That's about as simple as I can boil it down to. It's your interest and attraction to them multipled by your ability to tolerate them, multiplied again by your desire to see them happy. If any of these are zero, it fails, if any of them are really low, it ends up low.

Heck you could plug in numbers from 0 to 10 and get a number out of this. (assume a divide by 20 at the end and you'll get a % between 0 and 100, it'll be rare you score above 50% thou unless some numbers are high, but we all tend to rate to ones we love highly.)

Heck, example, the person could be average (attraction = 5), they have some hobbies you share and can do stuff you can't but you find awesome (Interest = 7), they're not annoying and have few quirks or tics that annoy you (Tolerate = 7), and you enjoy seeing them happy as long as it doesn't inconvenience you to badly (we'll give that a 6)... this one rounds out to like 25.2, that seems like a good number for a friend or a family member.

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Back to topic thou, cause I started to rant.

The concepts of Love being unconditional and eternal.

Love is always conditional, the process that leads into it has conditions, but if you truly love someone you should be able to forgive them of their misgivings and therefore True Love provides a convincing Illusion of being unconditional.

As for it being Eternal, even if you love someone from the day you are born to the day you die, that's only going to span roughly a hundred years or so. If any immortal beings want to step up and tell me otherwise, I'll believe that you can love someone for as long as you yourself are alive, and possibly long into your afterlife if it so exists. Eternal is a romantic concept, but unfeasible within the bounds of mortality.

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Now, I hope this goes back to more civil conversation. I enjoyed this up until the trolling and the ponies. It's rare I see this topic discussed, and it's always nice to see other viewpoints, and have a reason to actually post...

[Guthix]

This devolved into yelling so quickly, and I was actually enjoying this thread before that happened.

It might just be right to say that attempting to boil down the equation to something as simple as "Love = Tolerance" is a little to much. Love itself certainly requires Tolerance otherwise you'd never give the person you Love a chance to be around.

This is one of those moments were it'd probably be a good idea to go in depth on the concepts of "Lust", "Limerance", and "Love". And I'll apologize right now, cause the next chunk of text is all my own personal views, and what bits I know and understand of human psychology.

---------------

Lust - can most easily be defined as the physical carnal attraction that is felt towards another. A burning passion, A desire that's so strong you'd do anything for it. You rarely lust after someones mind or personality, it's the base instinct, but it's one of those factors that bring us together as a species. Without it, well, it goes without saying that there would be a serious lack of motivation from the male half of the species.

Limerance - Is the psychological term for the process known in the animal kingdom as "Pair-bonding", we see it in many species it's the link between two members of a species that keeps them together (Eagles for instance). Humans experience this "emotion" as well, but we have a different name for it, we call them "crushes", but speaking from personal experience here, Limerance is much worse than a crush.

There are effective 3 types of relationships in regards to Limerance, the "Non-limerant/Non-limerant bond" in which neither person feels the pull, this is common is simple short term relationships. the "Limerant/Non-Limerant bond" in which one party has strong feelings for the other, these can often be mistaken as feelings of love due to the general symptoms of the condition, and the ever so rare "Limerant/Limerant bond" which can be defined as finding your soulmate, the marriages that last 80+ years, etc etc.

I mention the symptoms of "Limerance", I'm not going to go into detail, there's a wikipedia page for that, needless to say the "standard" duration for the state is in the ballpark of 18 months to about 3 years. This is roughly the point in time many new couple end up getting "divorced" which could be because the relationship was built upon a "Limerant/Non-Limerant bond" and the limerant party has finally lapsed out of it.

Love - for me at least, is the urge to be around someone (AKA Attraction), the ability and urge to understand them (AKA Interest), to be able to forgive this person when needed (AKA, Tolerate), and a willingness to give their happiness priority over your own.

It's not an overwhelming desire, but something you feel. It can be simple and it takes many forms, from the familial to the platonic, to the romantic, and even the unrequited for those of us unlucky to love someone who doesn't feel the same way back.

-----------------------

To me:

Love = ((Interest + Attraction) * Tolerence)) * (Desire to see them happy)

That's about as simple as I can boil it down to. It's your interest and attraction to them multipled by your ability to tolerate them, multiplied again by your desire to see them happy. If any of these are zero, it fails, if any of them are really low, it ends up low.

Heck you could plug in numbers from 0 to 10 and get a number out of this. (assume a divide by 20 at the end and you'll get a % between 0 and 100, it'll be rare you score above 50% thou unless some numbers are high, but we all tend to rate to ones we love highly.)

Heck, example, the person could be average (attraction = 5), they have some hobbies you share and can do stuff you can't but you find awesome (Interest = 7), they're not annoying and have few quirks or tics that annoy you (Tolerate = 7), and you enjoy seeing them happy as long as it doesn't inconvenience you to badly (we'll give that a 6)... this one rounds out to like 25.2, that seems like a good number for a friend or a family member.

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Back to topic thou, cause I started to rant.

The concepts of Love being unconditional and eternal.

Love is always conditional, the process that leads into it has conditions, but if you truly love someone you should be able to forgive them of their misgivings and therefore True Love provides a convincing Illusion of being unconditional.

As for it being Eternal, even if you love someone from the day you are born to the day you die, that's only going to span roughly a hundred years or so. If any immortal beings want to step up and tell me otherwise, I'll believe that you can love someone for as long as you yourself are alive, and possibly long into your afterlife if it so exists. Eternal is a romantic concept, but unfeasible within the bounds of mortality.

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Now, I hope this goes back to more civil conversation. I enjoyed this up until the trolling and the ponies. It's rare I see this topic discussed, and it's always nice to see other viewpoints, and have a reason to actually post...

bravo, even used math im abit dissapointed that my stated logic loop about love upon death was ignored.atleast the illiusion part is worded better then mine.

nnpc while i did agree with you partly, i dont see the point of you getting agitated, then again i havnt called you ignorant.I can understand why you have this view but heres an ice breaker- have you ever been in love?[and i dont mean the other forms like lust , eye candy [limberance], or pity]

panda. as for you , you say youve changed... well im rather dissapointed in you because you became a twat, on top of things your pushing your pony douchebaggery here.ever considered that all your horse themed banners about love and tolerance as as hollow as the user posting it?are you expecting people to take them seriously when you dont do that yourself?kinda also the reason why haters dont go away. your just a wolf in a lambs hide still whining that your not a wolf contrary to what most already know [this is also aimed to the rest of you ponyfags]

i sorta had a feeling going to sleep will end up me missing all the fun.

[SleeplessPanda]

bravo, even used math im abit dissapointed that my stated logic loop about love upon death was ignored.atleast the illiusion part is worded better then mine.

nnpc while i did agree with you partly, i dont see the point of you getting agitated, then again i havnt called you ignorant.I can understand why you have this view but heres an ice breaker- have you ever been in love?[and i dont mean the other forms like lust , eye candy [limberance], or pity]

panda. as for you , you say youve changed... well im rather dissapointed in you because you became a twat, on top of things your pushing your pony douchebaggery here.ever considered that all your horse themed banners about love and tolerance as as hollow as the user posting it?are you expecting people to take them seriously when you dont do that yourself?kinda also the reason why haters dont go away. your just a wolf in a lambs hide still whining that your not a wolf contrary to what most already know [this is also aimed to the rest of you ponyfags]

i sorta had a feeling going to sleep will end up me missing all the fun.

I'm not a brony' so I don't believe in love and tolerance, I just find pony memes to be an excellent trolling troll. Besides, the new brony' motto is "CRUSH. KILL. DESTROY. SWAG.", you should see that video of those hundreds of bronies' chanting it at a rave, it's quite amusing. As far as N.P.C.C. goes, he's an idiot, at least on this subject. His original comment was hogwash, then from there he just continued to pile on the stupidity and became hostile as soon as he realized he wasn't going to be getting loads of people here agreeing with him. That's why more than half his comments toward me boil down to "HMMF', YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU'RE TROLLING, I'M NOT TALKING TO YOU!", though he keeps on talking to me anyway. Sure, I started trolling a little, only after I realized he wasn't going to defend his theory with any sort of facts and he started to enter butt hurt + mad mode. I have centuries of human history to back up my belief that love is complicated and can't be boiled down to a simple definition, N.P.C.C. only has . . what, his hormonal depressing/angry thoughts to back him up? I could spend an hour responding to everything he said and destroy him more than I already have but I don't see the point, pretty much everyone who has posted here has either disagreed with him or agreed with me. Even his friend didn't want to openly voice their opinion in fear of hurting his feelings. Bottom line: his theory is bologna, his reasons in believing in it are bologna and just emo' propaganda, and I'll be an ass to him as long as keeps acting like one himself and refusing to accept how utterly ridiculous his views on love are.

[Guthix]

I'm not a brony' so I don't believe in love and tolerance, I just find pony memes to be an excellent trolling troll. Besides, the new brony' motto is "CRUSH. KILL. DESTROY. SWAG.", you should see that video of those hundreds of bronies' chanting it at a rave, it's quite amusing. As far as N.P.C.C. goes, he's an idiot, at least on this subject. His original comment was hogwash, then from there he just continued to pile on the stupidity and became hostile as soon as he realized he wasn't going to be getting loads of people here agreeing with him. That's why more than half his comments toward me boil down to "HMMF', YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU'RE TROLLING, I'M NOT TALKING TO YOU!", though he keeps on talking to me anyway. Sure, I started trolling a little, only after I realized he wasn't going to defend his theory with any sort of facts and he started to enter butt hurt + mad mode. I have centuries of human history to back up my belief that love is complicated and can't be boiled down to a simple definition, N.P.C.C. only has . . what, his hormonal depressing/angry thoughts to back him up? I could spend an hour responding to everything he said and destroy him more than I already have but I don't see the point, pretty much everyone who has posted here has either disagreed with him or agreed with me. Even his friend didn't want to openly voice their opinion in fear of hurting his feelings. Bottom line: his theory is bologna, his reasons in believing in it are bologna and just emo' propaganda, and I'll be an ass to him as long as keeps acting like one himself and refusing to accept how utterly ridiculous his views on love are.

the capped parts, as far as i can say its his buthurt mad mode came from you calling him hypocritical.also your logic is stunning "cant win an arguement? troll" dude i dont think you came here to debate , i think you just came here for attension. no one forced you to be here and claim "your wrong im right heres a pony u mad bro?"
and where do you keep pulling the hormone/teen ****? where do you even see that in his typed stuff.i mean law called him cynical but he took it,and you decided to join in the bitchfest to see how far he can go?
also using ponies to troll? thus another wannabe troll is born.

[!Je$u$!]

^^^ this thread
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[SleeplessPanda]

the capped parts, as far as i can say its his buthurt mad mode came from you calling him hypocritical.also your logic is stunning "cant win an arguement? troll" dude i dont think you came here to debate , i think you just came here for attension. no one forced you to be here and claim "your wrong im right heres a pony u mad bro?"
and where do you keep pulling the hormone/teen ****? where do you even see that in his typed stuff.i mean law called him cynical but he took it,and you decided to join in the bitchfest to see how far he can go?
also using ponies to troll? thus another wannabe troll is born.

Calling me a "wannabe'" troll would suggest I failed at inciting anger and lack proper trolling skills. In that case, I'm far from a wannabe'. I did come here to debate, I had him beat within two comments, he just failed to realize it. He is a huge hypocrite, everything he has said I've been doing he has done himself, that's a hypocrite in my book. Did you even notice how quickly he went off topic and just started going off on me about my history and what I said about his character? He barely put any effort into defending his position on love because he knew he didn't have a leg to stand on so he figured he could distract others and myself and in doing so make people forget how simply flawed his views are.

[SleeplessPanda]

Just for fun I went through every post to see where the "score" currently stands on who agrees with my views on love and who agrees with C.C.'s. C.C. is the only one who agrees completely with his views, while two others partially agree. SEVEN people agree with my views on love + myself + two partial agreements I'm sharing with C.C., so in conclusion . . my thoughts on love are shared by basically everyone who came to this thread. No big surprise.

[SleeplessPanda]

And FINALLY Guthix, I think my hostility toward him and the later light trolling I did was completely warranted. In my first comment replying to his theory, the WORST and ONLY thing I called him was "ignorant", which is true and is barely an insult. That caused him to respond with such statements as "Nice. Nice. Smart. Your scenario's are irrelevant. I don't think i should really indulge such a flawed opinion with a counter argument. Either way, their is NOTHING complicated about it. Love is Bull ****! Glorified nonsense that human beings themselves make fun of in its many forms. You want love? Read Cinderella or watch a harem anime. About as close as you're gonna get.". I mean COME ON, how do I NOT go after him for responding in such a douchebag' manner while at the same time he's continuing to treat love like it's some super simple concept only suitable for children who believe in nonsense? He honestly sounds like my sister did when she was in middle school and got dumped for the first time. I wouldn't be surprised if while C.C. had been making this thread he had been listening to a mixed tape of heart break songs and tearing up old photographs of lost loves.

[Guthix]

And FINALLY Guthix, I think my hostility toward him and the later light trolling I did was completely warranted. In my first comment replying to his theory, the WORST and ONLY thing I called him was "ignorant", which is true and is barely an insult. That caused him to respond with such statements as "Nice. Nice. Smart. Your scenario's are irrelevant. I don't think i should really indulge such a flawed opinion with a counter argument. Either way, their is NOTHING complicated about it. Love is Bull ****! Glorified nonsense that human beings themselves make fun of in its many forms. You want love? Read Cinderella or watch a harem anime. About as close as you're gonna get.". I mean COME ON, how do I NOT go after him for responding in such a douchebag' manner while at the same time he's continuing to treat love like it's some super simple concept only suitable for children who believe in nonsense? He honestly sounds like my sister did when she was in middle school and got dumped for the first time. I wouldn't be surprised if while C.C. had been making this thread he had been listening to a mixed tape of heart break songs and tearing up old photographs of lost loves.

that single sentance excplains pretty much everything in your motivation and arguements ^^ and for the record npcc =/= your sister, he isnt even female dude. i mean wtf.

as for scores,if i recall debates dont have them. "I did come here to debate," your arguement is invalid. [and i wont quote ponies] not to mention the debate was love, not weather npcc is cynical or hypocrytical since youre inclined to point out about going off topic.

also take a chill pill and dont spam every 12 minutes.

you may be forgeting that npcc being an asshole doesnt make your douchebagery just.

now lets pretend npcc used his statement in a calm manner about love in harems, is he not correct? why else would people watch shows about love?

you know what, i think your the one butthurt, since you seem to give a **** in what manner statements are made.

as for the wanna be trolling, are that dense? your not the only one who had a different arguement, not to mention his class named him the crazy one, you think he wasnt already pissed off?[i mean why the **** would he create this thread then?] youre like a leaf which fell into a bonfire which was already lit by someone else. dont make me laugh.

[SleeplessPanda]

that single sentance excplains pretty much everything in your motivation and arguements ^^ and for the record npcc =/= your sister, he isnt even female dude. i mean wtf.

as for scores,if i recall debates dont have them. "I did come here to debate," your arguement is invalid. [and i wont quote ponies] not to mention the debate was love, not weather npcc is cynical or hypocrytical since youre inclined to point out about going off topic.

also take a chill pill and dont spam every 12 minutes.

you may be forgeting that npcc being an asshole doesnt make your douchebagery just.

now lets pretend npcc used his statement in a calm manner about love in harems, is he not correct? why else would people watch shows about love?

you know what, i think your the one butthurt, since you seem to give a **** in what manner statements are made.

as for the wanna be trolling, are that dense? your not the only one who had a different arguement, not to mention his class named him the crazy one, you think he wasnt already pissed off?[i mean why the **** would he create this thread then?] youre like a leaf which fell into a bonfire which was already lit by someone else. dont make me laugh.

My "motivations" to debate this subject are because I think C.C. is whining like a girl? Hardly. My motivations come from the desire to prove incorrect his heavily flawed theory, and I know he's not a girl, I was just pointing out the similarities between his theory and how a teenage girl acts after her first breakup. I went off topic when he went off topic, and I became hostile when he became hostile, so choosing to concentrate your attacks on me shows obvious bias. He decided to create this thread, he opened himself up to the opposing views of members of this site, I expressed my views (which people happen to mostly agree with since their own views are similar to mine), and because I said "ignorant" I sparked rage within C.C., and no I'm not butt hurt since I'm on the obviously correct side of this debate along with the strong majority of people who have posted disagreeing with C.C.. But I applaud you, you're one of the most glorious white knights I have ever seen.

[Guthix]

the last sentance blew my mind

[SleeplessPanda]

the last sentance blew my mind

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZpEonq2n48

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[Guthix]

ok back to business its you who actualy went off topic first, i said it in my previous post, the topic wasnt about npcc being hypocrytical, the first one to be hostile was law, then you and only then npcc [though minor its still intended to insult]
you do realize you dont need to be a teenage girl to stop believing in love right?im getting a feeling your more batling your own sister rather then npcc, and you just wish to proove that hes wrong thus relieving yourself of not being able to convince your sister.

even if you are correct what right do you have to force it onto others? how would you feel if i told you to get a succsefull job and be indepentent?everyone has theyr conditions and bluntly shoving your **** onto others is as worse as advertizing.

[SleeplessPanda]

ok back to business its you who actualy went off topic first, i said it in my previous post, the topic wasnt about npcc being hypocrytical, the first one to be hostile was law, then you and only then npcc [though minor its still intended to insult]
you do realize you dont need to be a teenage girl to stop believing in love right?im getting a feeling your more batling your own sister rather then npcc, and you just wish to proove that hes wrong thus relieving yourself of not being able to convince your sister.

even if you are correct what right do you have to force it onto others? how would you feel if i told you to get a succsefull job and be indepentent?everyone has theyr conditions and bluntly shoving your **** onto others is as worse as advertizing.

Wait wait wait, hold on, where did this whole thing with me trying to turn C.C. into my sister come from? My sister currently believes very much in love, but there's usually that point in a girl's life where there heart gets broken and they go through this "LOVE IS DEAD" phase. C.C. seems to be going through a "LOVE IS DEAD" phase similar to what my sister and other young women have gone through, though you're correct there have been a lot of boys too who have suffered from the same thing as well. In the debate between C.C. and I, he was the one who became hostile first, not me. If he got angry from a comment I didn't make, and he decided to re-direct that anger toward me and not the person who made the comment, then that shows a lack of maturity on his part. My first comment toward him was very on topic, so . . I really don't see where you're going with all this, it really seems like you're just here to defend him and shelter him from further hurt feelings over his questionable theory.

[Guthix]

na i dont care about him

for the 3rd time you started all this, the topic was love= tolerance , not that npcc is a hypocrite, that statement was not crutial to your point and it was offensive otherwize he wouldnt have cared.

the sister part is that you seem to be trying to feminize npcc with all your "your emo, hormones, broken up, like my sister when she broke up" comments

[SleeplessPanda]

na i dont care about him

for the 3rd time you started all this, the topic was love= tolerance , not that npcc is a hypocrite, that statement was not crutial to your point and it was offensive otherwize he wouldnt have cared.

the sister part is that you seem to be trying to feminize npcc with all your "your emo, hormones, broken up, like my sister when she broke up" comments

Alright I can see your point, though I wasn't trying to feminize him to the extent you're suggesting, just merely making some comparisons that somewhat became jabs at him after he started making jabs at me. My first comment toward him didn't call him a hypocrite, I called him ignorant, and is simply calling someone "ignorant" when they are acting ignorant really cause enough for them to respond in such a manner? Hostility was met with hostility, I apologize for treating him the way he was treating me since two wrongs don't make a right, but I stand by my original comments that were directly related to the topic at hand. Still, even if I hadn't said "ignorant", he would've still responded with hostility since you yourself said he was already angry from a comment I didn't make. There's nothing further you can say in his defense, and if you aren't going to treat what he said in the same manner you're treating what I said, then maybe it's time you backed away from this thread. C.C.'s a big boy, he doesn't need you acting as his shield.

[Guthix]

Alright I can see your point, though I wasn't trying to feminize him to the extent you're suggesting, just merely making some comparisons that somewhat became jabs at him after he started making jabs at me. My first comment toward him didn't call him a hypocrite, I called him ignorant, and is simply calling someone "ignorant" when they are acting ignorant really cause enough for them to respond in such a manner? Hostility was met with hostility, I apologize for treating him the way he was treating me since two wrongs don't make a right, but I stand by my original comments that were directly related to the topic at hand. Still, even if I hadn't said "ignorant", he would've still responded with hostility since you yourself said he was already angry from a comment I didn't make. There's nothing further you can say in his defense, and if you aren't going to treat what he said in the same manner you're treating what I said, then maybe it's time you backed away from this thread. C.C.'s a big boy, he doesn't need you acting as his shield.

while i did say he was most likely already irritated by his class endevour , i never said that he would go into a hissy fit without provocation. the facts that he copied your words in a questioning manner means that it was the most relevant thing that caught his eye.because of that i believe that your simple irritation to someone who thinks differently then you and by expressing it in a judgemental order, you pulled npcc's last straw.
i mean why didnt he get pissed off from my comments?i also stated he was wrong.you were one of us aswell but for some reason you had to call him ingorant while he was trying to defend his position.

"na i dont care about him" did you read that one?

[SleeplessPanda]

while i did say he was most likely already irritated by his class endevour , i never said that he would go into a hissy fit without provocation. the facts that he copied your words in a questioning manner means that it was the most relevant thing that caught his eye.because of that i believe that your simple irritation to someone who thinks differently then you and by expressing it in a judgemental order, you pulled npcc's last straw.
i mean why didnt he get pissed off from my comments?i also stated he was wrong.you were one of us aswell but for some reason you had to call him ingorant while he was trying to defend his position.

"na i dont care about him" did you read that one?

So you spent half this thread defending and making excuses for someone you don't care about? That's awfully nice of you. Next time I say something stupid, I suppose I can look forward to you rushing to support me as well? C'mon Guthix . . you've been pretty biased. You've spent far more time critiquing what I've said compared to what C.C. has said. I know it's easy for some people to fall into the role of a white knight, it's not like you've done anything wrong, just admit you decided to pick a side because you felt bad for C.C.

[thedarkmessenger]

*grabs popcorn*

[PudPuller]

*grabs popcorn*

~Cuts a hole in the the bottom and sets it on his lap waiting for TDM to grab some

[thedarkmessenger]

.....*grabs soda*

[SleeplessPanda]

~Cuts a hole in the the bottom and sets it on his lap waiting for TDM to grab some

I LOVE POPCORN! o3o ::Reaches in to grab a handful while wearing a spiked gauntlet.:: >=3

[HeyHeyHeyStayOuttaMyShed]

I wholeheartedly believe in "love", It's not simply a "tolerance", but, a chemical reaction you have in your brain when your near or talk about your husband/wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/mother/daughter/son/father/pets/best friend/s/ect. Love is something sociopaths/psychopaths aren't capable of feeling, is what I believe~ D<
Love can be felt when you hold your future newborn son/daughter in your arms, Or when you say your vows at your wedding, or when you cuddle and pet your cat/dog/any animal that you love and care about.

Sociopaths aren't capable of feeling love and empathy for others, Because they just simply don't know how to or grew up in a unhappy family setting. But i believe love is real, and the most powerful emotion next to fear and pain. Love is agony, but oh so lovely too. D< But yeah, I believe true love exists, unconditional, unbreakable loyalty, trust and love, whether that be for your mom, dad, siblings or romantic, it exists. And nothing will change my opinion.

[Guthix]

So you spent half this thread defending and making excuses for someone you don't care about? That's awfully nice of you. Next time I say something stupid, I suppose I can look forward to you rushing to support me as well? C'mon Guthix . . you've been pretty biased. You've spent far more time critiquing what I've said compared to what C.C. has said. I know it's easy for some people to fall into the role of a white knight, it's not like you've done anything wrong, just admit you decided to pick a side because you felt bad for C.C.

i dont feel bad for c.c. im not a knight. if you arent able to foresee my true motives i cant help you there.
i could support you , if i wanted to, but i dont , too bad.
so you ingored the top sentance this time?


[edit]if what you said was true kitty, then slendy would never love you back.

[SleeplessPanda]

i dont feel bad for c.c. im not a knight. if you arent able to foresee my true motives i cant help you there.
i could support you , if i wanted to, but i dont , too bad.
so you ingored the top sentance this time?

I didn't ignore it, I just failed to see how it had anything to do with your decision to be C.C.'s defender instead of treating us both equally.

[Guthix]

for the last time im not defending him

[thedarkmessenger]

I didn't ignore it, I just failed to see how it had anything to do with your decision to be C.C.'s defender instead of treating us both equally.

So anyone who thinks you're an idiot automatically agrees with C.C.?

[SleeplessPanda]

So anyone who thinks you're an idiot automatically agrees with C.C.?

Guthix doesn't think I'm an idiot, and he said he doesn't really agree with C.C., he's just have trouble admitting he's spent a lot of time here making excuses for C.C.'s words and actions while concentrating his critiques on me instead of C.C. (maybe because I'm here and C.C.'s not and I've posted more comments). When you spend that much time speaking for someone, it really gives the impression that you're attempting to defend them, and possibly have a soft spot for them. It seems like it's boiled down to the mere fact that Guthix doesn't feel like being neutral and feels more like picking a side so they can keep debating. -.-;

[thedarkmessenger]

Here's the thing Panda: You're side and C.C's side are NOT the only sides to this. Everyone has their own opinion. While some may seem similar to yours, they're still different. Are you really so egotistical as to believe everyone who has even a partial similarity to your opinion is in total and complete agreement with you?

[Backmask]

This thread is dildos.

[Guthix]

well arent you a know it all ^^, i swear to go where do you get the confidence to spit such garbadge. i will politely repeat i IM NOT DEFENDING, SUPPORTING OR SAYING THAT NPCC IS CORRECT.Im prooving to you ,who states that he came here to "debate" and ended up trolling, that you came here to troll or gain some attension or w/e since you dont seem to chew my words or in denial, i dont know. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU.

[Arock]

This thread is dildos.

http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/675700/7960860/0/1234361575/Glass_Dildo.jpg

[Guthix]

This thread is dildos.

wow actualy better then ****? awsome

[PudPuller]

This thread is dildos.
Im surprised your not involved in this, Not like you.

[SleeplessPanda]

Here's the thing Panda: You're side and C.C's side are NOT the only sides to this. Everyone has their own opinion. While some may seem similar to yours, they're still different. Are you really so egotistical as to believe everyone who has even a partial similarity to your opinion is in total and complete agreement with you?

Not so much egotistical, more of the fact that my view was "love's too complicated to define" and basically everyone else has said something to that effect while C.C.'s view on love is WAY out there and doesn't resemble any other views on love that have been shared in this thread. So yeah, it does basically boil down to "Agree with C.C." VS "Don't agree with C.C.", which in that case I belong to the vast majority of non-believers of C.C.'s flawed views. Guthix has been defending C.C.'s behavior while attacking my behavior, despite the fact that C.C. started hostilities with me and from that point we were being equally rude to each other. So MY issue with Guthix was they decided to go after me while saying very little about the other guy who was acting just as bad.

[SleeplessPanda]

This thread is dildos.

No, this thread is ponies =3


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWhJb6xMZg8

[PudPuller]

Not so much egotistical, more of the fact that my view was "love's too complicated to define" and basically everyone else has said something to that effect while C.C.'s view on love is WAY out there and doesn't resemble any other views on love that have been shared in this thread. So yeah, it does basically boil down to "Agree with C.C." VS "Don't agree with C.C.", which in that case I belong to the vast majority of non-believers of C.C.'s flawed views. Guthix has been defending C.C.'s behavior while attacking my behavior, despite the fact that C.C. started hostilities with me and from that point we were being equally rude to each other. So MY issue with Guthix was they decided to go after me while saying very little about the other guy who was acting just as bad.

Well the simple reasoning to that is your lack of being social on the bored so everyone is going to pick you out like the quiet retard sitting in the corner of the classroom. Its just too easy XD

[Guthix]

rb your gonna spoil the fun

[SleeplessPanda]

Well the simple reasoning to that is your lack of being social on the bored so everyone is going to pick you out like the quiet retard sitting in the corner of the classroom. Its just too easy XD

I'm a busy fellow, so when I am on the site, it's usually to perform my duties as a Minis judge and move along. Besides, whenever I make ONE little thread these days, people are instantly like "PANDA Y U MAKE MEANINGLESS THREAD THIS ISN'T YOUR PERSONAL BLOG!". The "crimes" of my past will forever haunt me, I'll always be known as "that guy who made daily threads and shouldn't make any more".

[PudPuller]

Yea and my right hand is always busy but my left still has the ability to type a few strings in the chatbox before my 30s is up and I go limp. You're not restricted to just topic starters.

[SleeplessPanda]

Yea and my right hand is always busy but my left still has the ability to type a few strings in the chatbox before my 30s is up and I go limp. You're not restricted to just topic starters.

Well alright, I'll try and spend more time being social on the site. Currently unlocking my dormant social abilities for the AMV Hell site aaaaaaaand' done, "social SleeplessPanda" has been reactivated. Now everyone can look forward to seeing my crazy topics and pointless ramblings once more! And we have you to thank for it! =3

[Guthix]

Well alright, I'll try and spend more time being social on the site. Currently unlocking my dormant social abilities for the AMV Hell site aaaaaaaand' done, "social SleeplessPanda" has been reactivated. Now everyone can look forward to seeing my crazy topics and pointless ramblings once more! And we have you to thank for it! =3

twat

[PudPuller]

http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/675700/7960860/0/1234361575/Glass_Dildo.jpg
Glass dildo's are ****ing expensive for just being simplistic glassware, Damn things go from $50 to $120
Almost makes me wanna build a glass furnace and make me some god damn money

[Jazean]

This thread... has managed to get stranger over the course of one day than I thought it could.

Glass cannot be a safe substance to make those out of...

[PudPuller]

glass is non-porous so its completely safe and the dildos are not hollow, just dont drop it on a concrete floor from 6ft otherwise you have some pieces of dick to pick up.

[N.P.C.C.]

One day this guy comes to work at a dildo shop. His boss leaves for the day and puts him in charge of the shop.

About an hour later a black haired lady comes in and asks "How much for your black dildos?"

The guy says "30 bucks"

"And how much for your white dildos?" asks the lady.

Again the man says "30 bucks for the black and 30 bucks for the white"

So she takes the black one and leaves.

A while later a brunette comes in to the store and asks "How much for your white dildos?"

The man responds "30 bucks"

She asks "And how much for your black dildos?"

"30 bucks for the white and 30 bucks for the black" replies the man.

So she takes the white one leaves.

About an hour later a blonde walks through the door and asks "How much are your dildos?"

The guys says "All our dildos are 30 bucks"

Then she looks up behind the man on a shelf and ask "How much for that plaid one?"

The man responds "Oh, that one is special. That will cost you $250"

The blonde agrees and takes it.

Later that day the boss come back and asks "So what did you sell today?"

The man says "I sold a black dildo, a white dildo , and your thermous flask for $250!"

[bloodlover1987]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRYNYb30nxU

[Neomalysys]

**** yeah glam!!!!!!!!!!!!

[N.P.C.C.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDc_ToGb5oo

[PudPuller]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRYNYb30nxU
Holy **** I haven't heard that in years.... Had to grab that ****

[jinzo64]

I didn't expect this build up so quikly.
I don't know if love is tolerance or not, But when I was with my ex love didn't seem like somthing i had to tolerate it seemed natural.
But I now know love is an over rated emotion which will some day lead to pain,sadness and sorrow.
I'd rather not feel love for another person that way I wouldn't have to suffer through the sorrow when they die.
Thats why for a long time i tried to distance my self from the people I truly care for but I was lonely and sad.
To be honest if I could denounce all my emotions I would.

[tanis_lionheart]

Don't forget:
God wuvs you.

[thedarkmessenger]

^Until I experience God's love first hand, I will NEVER believe in it.

[Guthix]

I didn't expect this build up so quikly.
I don't know if love is tolerance or not, But when I was with my ex love didn't seem like somthing i had to tolerate it seemed natural.
But I now know love is an over rated emotion which will some who lead to pain and sadness.
I'd rather not feel love for another person that way I wouldn't have to suffer through the sorrow when they die.
Thats why for a long time i tried to distance my self from the people I truly care for but I was lonely and sad.
To be honest if I could denounce all my emotions I would.

that wont shield you from love, in fact it increases the chanse of getting infacuated by a non human object.

[jinzo64]

If I had no emotions in any form,How would I become infatuated.
To be void of all feelings and desires that would be the height of human perfection.(in My opinion)

[tanis_lionheart]

^Until I experience God's love first hand, I will NEVER believe in it. It's cool. I'm an atheist so I was just being a **** for **** sake.

[jinzo64]

My veiw contradicts itself.
I won't believe that god is realy until proper prove is provided.
But If he/she does excist He/She is an evil beyond comprehension of whom I'm going kick in the grown area exceptionaly hard.

[bloodlover1987]

come here jinzo and we can show these fools what love is

[tanis_lionheart]

come here jinzo and we can show these fools what love is What is love?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktbhw0v186Q

[jinzo64]

oh blood.
your love makes me so happy.


Forget it I'll keep my emotions even if happiness is fleeting it'll be worth it for the times it comes along.

[bloodlover1987]

*pounces jinzo

[jinzo64]

Imbraces blood.
licks on the forehead.

I've missed these mad moments,they is so fun.

[bloodlover1987]

* nibbles on jinzos neck

[jinzo64]

Blood stop that tickles.
It been nice hanging with you blood but I have things I want to do today.

So I'm going to have to say goodbye.