[VulpesHilarianus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=R5-4q8sK9yI

Watch this, and think about what the dude is saying near the end for a few minutes.

Now, I've been researching this topic for a while (Synthetic Intimate Relationships), and I say the movie "Surrogates" is more so a prediction than an actual source of entertainment. As it is, the world is stagnating because Mechanical and Electronic devices have taken out the need for physical and mental labouring. This leads to an overly large amount of free time, meaning we create such things as videogames and TV Shows. Ultimately, we get in a sort of "Comfort Zone," a place where we can deal with the stresses of our modern societies, and we go through mental breakdowns of varying degrees when we're removed from them. Do you think you could go through a week if your Cellphone/Computer/Gaming Console was taken away from you and all you had was a bed, some drawers, and a house without electronics? You'd go temporarily insane, become irritable and have physical withdrawal symptoms.
The thing I made this post to ask you guys is... Do you think that these Dating Sims (because of course they're going to spread to other countries) will cause the creation of AIs such as those in "Surrogates" or "Battle Angel Alita" that we use to fill the gap caused by the lack of human interactivity? Do you think that we will someday have to use artificial means of procreation to even keep the human race going? Do you think we will destroy ourselves by being too immersed in our own selfish creations? Post your own theories and what flaws you see in my short one.

[Guthix]

bull****. technology wont kill humanity
humanity will kill humanity, if relationships werent so complicated there would be no reason for using substitutes.
to remove problems you need to dig out the root, otherwize you will just slow it down.

to be honest i dont even care if humanity will end this way, being just another broken soul i dont look at life the same anymore.

[ThatsNotMyName_studio]

Chobits leads to Welcome to the NHK and ultimately to Neon Genesis Evangelion?

Perhaps.

Increasingly, tech becomes the arbiter of human interaction.
It used to be, when you called a business or institution, you would talk to someone.

Then, you call, you get the stupid voice menu: "Please listen carefully as our options have changed."
(Bull****! the only thing that changed is you don't answer your phone yourself anymore...)

Nowadays, that old voice menu sounds almost friendly compared to the new voice-recognition
style of answering your phone. "If you have a question about your bill; say 'Billing'." the computer-generated
bitch snarkily instructs you. Oh, and you better be clear when you say it too. "I didn't catch that. say 'BILLING'!"
She's the gatekeeper, and she knows it. You will perform for her, her way, or you won't be able to proceed to the next level
of voice options.

[VulpesHilarianus]

We will destroy ourselves, but it'll be through technology. If the US and the USSR hadn't decided to just bluff and had actually decided to throw bombs at each other, the world still would have ended due to technology. This topic doesn't necessarily relegate itself only to computers . As for relationships, we've become too dependent on what we humans make and use, which makes having a fully realised interaction with somebody at least ten times harder.

[Guthix]

We will destroy ourselves, but it'll be through technology. If the US and the USSR hadn't decided to just bluff and had actually decided to throw bombs at each other, the world still would have ended due to technology. This topic doesn't necessarily relegate itself only to computers . As for relationships, we've become too dependent on what we humans make and use, which makes having a fully realised interaction with somebody at least ten times harder.

you missed my point, simply by MENTIONING a tool for destruction you shift the blame, humans will destroy humans, white on black,any other possibility cannon have any human involvement. technology has nothing to do with it.
oh the irony...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovzr0zl0h1Q

[Shuiia]

Vulpes I've read through here and while there is truth to be found in the theory of technology aided destruction, I'm gonna have to politely disagree with that theory.

Not entirely though mind you.


Now see, while it is true that human relationships, capabilities and other things deteriorate with the coming of technology I think that our interactions with them has to evolve a bit instead of that we should avoid it.

I mean look around you. How many people nowadays know several phone numbers? How many people still socialise "the old-school way" i.e. meeting up and talking and hanging out?
All this aid that we have and the fact that we are prioritizing contact through those means allows for deterioration of our primary social skills that humans develop throughout their lives.
This Ted talk goes into more detail and explains the situation best imo (http://www.ted.com/talks/sherry_turkle_alone_together.html)

Now, as I've said earlier my opinion is that instead of being fearful of technology we need to be understanding of it and need to increase our knowledge of it. I am what you would label as a transhumanist and therefore think that humans should meld, fuse or in any other way merge with the technologies we created in order to achieve a better and more clear understanding of things around us.

Things are quite complicated and just having general ideas about everything is just being shallow and horribly biased.

I sadly don't have time to go into further detail but watch this and you get the gist of what I'm saying

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBeoreJr4Yc

[jinzo64]

yes technology will not only destroy humanity but the world and once my drill makes it's way to the earths core I'll launch my 5 mega nuclear bomb and the world will be destroyed.

But on topic - I don't beleive technology will destroy humanity,it may aid its destruction but all humans have the abbility to make there own choices and if we as a race decide not to have relationships with the opposite gender thats our chose.
Like guts said humans will destroy humans,Unless skynet is real in the future and starts sending terminaters back in time to kill us all humans will ultimatley be the end of humans.

[Shuiia]

Unless skynet is real in the future and starts sending terminaters back in time to kill us all humans will ultimatley be the end of humans.

Technology created by aforementioned humans

[jinzo64]

Technology created by aforementioned humans
That is true but Skynet became self aware and was able to make it's own dicissions.

[Shuiia]

That is true but Skynet became self aware and was able to make it's own dicissions.

I see your point made in your previous posts but at the end of the day
if humans weren't developing Skynet...
and if humans didn't allow Skynet to spread itself over the net...

Then Skynet wouldn't have existed or wouldn't have achieved self-awareness.
Yes, humans would've been killed by something other than humans
but only because humans created the means for it to happen.

[jinzo64]

I see your point made in your previous posts but at the end of the day
if humans weren't developing Skynet...
and if humans didn't allow Skynet to spread itself over the net...

Then Skynet wouldn't have existed or wouldn't have achieved self-awareness.
Yes, humans would've been killed by something other than humans
but only because humans created the means for it to happen.


You got me there.
I guess your right.

No matter how you look at it I guess humans will be the destruction of the human race.
Unless we get invaded by aliens.

[Guthix]

you know, in theory if humans started to contact each other via telepathy we may the same issue, imagine floating in someone elses dreams, interacting with actual feelings and ect.this is abit on the hight end but given some time i believe even technology may match my describtion.
besides i dont find this a bad thing on another point that humaty has become over populated, we cant even progress much since we cant educate everyone and thus dragging everyone down.

[jinzo64]

Just think if humans could communicate by telepathy.
you could have a central hub filled with people constantly learning they would be connected to 10 people and those 10 to 10 more and so on so every one would learn everything at the same time and pace.

[Guthix]

Just think if humans could communicate by telepathy.
you could have a central hub filled with people constantly learning they would be connected to 10 people and those 10 to 10 more and so on so every one would learn everything at the same time and pace.

it wouldnt be that simple

[jinzo64]

Why not were talking about a fictional power that allows people to communicate by thought.
It can be as simple as I want it to be.

[Guthix]

Why not were talking about a fictional power that allows people to communicate by thought.
It can be as simple as I want it to be.

well people have different interest and states of consiousness/fatigue. i this wasnt an issue no one would have issues at school

[jinzo64]

well people have different interest and states of consiousness/fatigue. i this wasnt an issue no one would have issues at school

thats true.
Maybe it could be like having constant access to the internet.
That would be pretty cool.
I know an oraganic computer you could physicaly link to and learn anything in an instant.
Also have the power to organize your thoughts and memories like a pc's fileing system.

[Guthix]

thats true.
Maybe it could be like having constant access to the internet.
That would be pretty cool.
I know an oraganic computer you could physicaly link to and learn anything in an instant.
Also have the power to organize your thoughts and memories like a pc's fileing system.

lol thats not in telepathys describtion, you will stil forget, ad the person you contact must know what you need, kow your language, and most importantly willig to share

[jinzo64]

Sorry I didn't make my idea clear.

I'll try again.

I was thinking of one giant brain like organisam where all knowledge in the world would be contained and would kept in all known languages on the earth.

Humans only use a 3 percent of the brain maybe gaining telepathy would allow us to open up the rest of it and use for it memory.

Hope that makes sense.

[Nick 30075]

I'm not a Republican, so I'm fine with technology.

[Guthix]

Sorry I didn't make my idea clear.

I'll try again.

I was thinking of one giant brain like organisam where all knowledge in the world would be contained and would kept in all known languages on the earth.

Humans only use a 3 percent of the brain maybe gaining telepathy would allow us to open up the rest of it and use for it memory.

Hope that makes sense.

maybe, but each idea has its drawbacks

last i heard it was 10% not 3, aswell as im starting to get the assumtion that people think its a bad thing, you do realize that the brain works on its own, letting you see, hear and other senses, not to mention makes your heart beat. if you made your brain work at full capacity for thinking you would die.

[Shuiia]

maybe, but each idea has its drawbacks

last i heard it was 10% not 3, aswell as im starting to get the assumtion that people think its a bad thing, you do realize that the brain works on its own, letting you see, hear and other senses, not to mention makes your heart beat. if you made your brain work at full capacity for thinking you would die.

That whole 10% usage thing is a myth. You use your brains to their full capacity. Intellect, intelligence and other stuff isn't necessarily regulated in specific parts of the brain.
It is regulated throughout the whole brain.

Basically with what people are trying to say with that is that we use our brains in an inefficient way.

But realy guys if you want to know more/learn a bit more about this sort of thing

Read these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprawl_trilogy)
Read and watch everything related to this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell)
and then you guys are just getting started to learn about the relationship of humans and technology

[Guthix]

That whole 10% usage thing is a myth. You use your brains to their full capacity. Intellect, intelligence and other stuff isn't necessarily regulated in specific parts of the brain.
It is regulated throughout the whole brain.

Basically with what people are trying to say with that is that we use our brains in an inefficient way.

But realy guys if you want to know more/learn a bit more about this sort of thing

Read these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprawl_trilogy)
Read and watch everything related to this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell)
and then you guys are just getting started to learn about the relationship of humans and technology

said the same thing -_-

[Shuiia]

said the same thing -_-

Yeah I know, I expanded on it a bit.

[Distict5-9]

Anyway, before we derail the thread too far away from the "Technology killing us all eventually" topic...

Supposing we did manage to create A.I's similar enough to the complex way we think, as well creating an extremely wide variety of personalities and shades in between (improbable, but still not impossible...), would we isolate ourselves in our little personal paradises, avoiding any other interaction with other humans? Frankly, I believe we would... (That is, however, as long as the A.I's are intelligent, varied and complex enough, something that is frankly nearly impossible to achieve.)
Supposing that we manage to re-create an entire virtual world fit just for us, a world that feels more fulfilling to live in than the actual one, were we can be the main characters of our very own amazingly complex story. Now, if this world took over every aspect of everyone's lives, to the point that we will stop doing anything but relying on technology to keep us alive while we wander about in our special interactive dream... Even at that point, could that still really be called destroying humanity?

I don't think that living in a dream a negative thing, as long as you are blissfully ignorant of the truth; if we believe that the virtual world in which we live in is our world, I don't think that the real truth matters at that point...
Suppose that you are right now merely a virtual dream of a person in the future, where this technology actually exists; would you still believe that all your years spent on this Earth weren't a "life"?

This, is, of course, a utopian extreme... In reality, I doubt we could ever really achieve the levels of technology necessary to "realistically" simulate an entire world of any kind that would actually allow a "full immersion" on your part within it ...

[HeyHeyHeyStayOuttaMyShed]

That whole 10% usage thing is a myth. You use your brains to their full capacity. Intellect, intelligence and other stuff isn't necessarily regulated in specific parts of the brain.
I thought the 10% of our unused brain capacity would give humans the ability of telekinesis and other cool **** like that ; A ;

[Neomalysys]

This stuff made me think about the idea of AI becoming self aware and humans deciding they needed to be destroyed because of it. If the AI's just wanted peace and to be treated as equals instead of slaves and we decided to destroy them would this push the AI's to then decide that we needed to be destroyed.

[Shuiia]

^ Depends on the A.I.'s morality or it's perception of it.
Among other things...

[Guthix]

too much to say, not enouth words in my vocabulary

[Zuiichi]

we must create ****able computers

[Distict5-9]

^ Build yourself a computer with a wider USB port?

[Shuiia]

we must create ****able computers

May I ask why?

[Guthix]

May I ask why?

no requirement for women, you do realize how many men want women just for sex, not the ralationships right?

[Shuiia]

no requirement for women, you do realize how many men want women just for sex, not the ralationships right?

That's supposed to be a bad thing you know.

But if ****able computers would have to be built. Build Android or cyborg dolls instead.
Dedicated and realistic(to a certain degree)

[Guthix]

That's supposed to be a bad thing you know.

But if ****able computers would have to be built. Build Android or cyborg dolls instead.
Dedicated and realistic(to a certain degree)

not realy, many species that would hold bonds longer then birth of the child is rather slim in nature.
also theres already realistic dolls, just need some basic movement installed

[abyssion1337]

Surrogates was both a fairly bad movie and **** at future prediction. IF you've actually been studying this stuff you'd be pointing us to Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

[Neomalysys]

Why not being able to become a cyborg would be cool especially if I could become nigh immortal in the process.

[HellsDeathAngel]

Anything mankind has created is technology, and it is used to destroy us in one form or another.

[abyssion1337]

Velcro is totally used to kill thousands of people every day

[Neomalysys]

Velcro is totally used to kill thousands of people every day

Don't forget the ducktape.

[Guthix]

yes lets blame the duck tape for all the rape and killings, im sure it will stop doing that

[Neomalysys]

Could blame rope that dirty bastard.

[jinzo64]

I think Female androids are the way forward,with interrgrated animal cells and a natural womb humaity could produce the first line of humanoid animals.
half animal, half human.

[Guthix]

I think Female androids are the way forward,with interrgrated animal cells and a natural womb humaity could produce the first line of humanoid animals.
half animal, half human.

lol you dont know how genetics works lol
but an idea of an artificial organic womb is possible

[jinzo64]

I thought it was a viable option.
But just think if it were possable to have humanoid dolphins or humanoid snakes.
OMG Penguin human hybrids would be awsome.

[VulpesHilarianus]

The whole point of the video I posted on the first page is to explain how synthetic intimate relationships (and high technology in general) are very dangerous to human society. And you do realise that men aren't even needed in human reproduction? We're just sideproducts that are to stick around until women are able to self-fertilize themselves. As it is, it's possible to do that by mutating an egg twice over to have a Y chromosome. As it is, if there were human-animal hybrids, catgirls would be real. Maybe not the ones we know, but that's something genetic tweaking an fix. I rather support the idea, seeing as how human bodies are generally weak and have been weakening substantially in the past 200 years. And as for having fully collective AI (I.E. Ghost In The Shell's Tachikoma's) that might backfire if we make big enough mistakes as allowing that collective AI to bleed into our lives. Granted that Deus Ex video explains it would be for the better, but privacy is partially what makes humans... well, human. That is all I've got for now.

[Guthix]

I thought it was a viable option.
But just think if it were possable to have humanoid dolphins or humanoid snakes.
OMG Penguin human hybrids would be awsome.

ill explain it in simple terms

each living thing has its own set of "sticks"

a duck has 5 sticks a cat has 4 a human had 6 [metaphoricaly]
during love each gender gives half of his sticks to the other to produce life with new set of sticks man 3 + woman 3 =6 human
so basicaly if cat male 2 + 3 human female = 5 duck ,which is imposible

[Neomalysys]

Guts is right about that stuff but we could use technology to alter our genes to allow us to gain advantages that other species have. We could make our lungs more efficient, enable ourselves to eat anything without fear of diseases or malnutrition, hell we could become stronger and smarter too.

[VulpesHilarianus]

And when women with sixteen breasts and men with dog tails as long as a city block appear, my quest to warn humans about themselves will have failed. Granted, having wings would be freaking awesome, so long as you could keep within the thicker air ranges. Don't think you'll be flying up to Mt. Everest.

[Neomalysys]

Immunity to all diseases and the ability to heal form minor wounds would be nice.

[jinzo64]

Immunity to all diseases and the ability to heal form minor wounds would be nice.
So we'll all be down graded versions of wolverine.

[Guthix]

Guts is right about that stuff but we could use technology to alter our genes to allow us to gain advantages that other species have. We could make our lungs more efficient, enable ourselves to eat anything without fear of diseases or malnutrition, hell we could become stronger and smarter too.

trial and error comes before benefit, and no one wants trial and error

[jinzo64]

I don't mind Trial and error as long as we can experiment on murders,rapists and other criminals.

[Guthix]

I don't mind Trial and error as long as we can experiment on murders,rapists and other criminals.

so much for morality

[Haar]

That looks like my form of morality.

[jinzo64]

looks like me and Harr Share a simaler kind of morality.

[VulpesHilarianus]

Time to get this thread going again. Still on the topic of how technology will aid/abet humanity, what do you think will happen when we have human/animal or cyborg citizens on Earth? Will things become more helpful by having men with the relative strength of Hercules beetles or will the unforeseen side-effects of matching human DNA with the killer instinct of a tiger destroy us? I'd like to think we'd benefit either way, but I'm too much of a pessimist. I only see the people getting fed up within the first few years of being called "Freaks" and going on a rampage.

[Ruby150]

Depends... will we allow it to destroy us? Because if so, then yes, if not, then no.

[Backmask]

Time to get this thread going again. Still on the topic of how technology will aid/abet humanity, what do you think will happen when we have human/animal or cyborg citizens on Earth? Will things become more helpful by having men with the relative strength of Hercules beetles or will the unforeseen side-effects of matching human DNA with the killer instinct of a tiger destroy us? I'd like to think we'd benefit either way, but I'm too much of a pessimist. I only see the people getting fed up within the first few years of being called "Freaks" and going on a rampage.

I'd imagine that the cyborgs and/or humans with the traits of animals would belong to the higher-class members of society, and, as such, wouldn't give a damn about the insults that the lower-upper middle class. The only conflict that I would imagine popping up would be those against the augmentations (Religious groups, human rights groups, maybe some animal rights groups, and some other similar organizations). Even then, the opposing groups would just start picketing, while said picketing would quickly be put to a halt - if they got out of hand - by the cybernetically enhanced, and thus increadibly more proficient, police force. Actual "civil war," which would generally be a one-sided curbstomp, would probably only take place if some sort of government funded agenda popped up that discriminated against the non-enhanced citizens in one way or another. By the point in which we settle all of this, large-scale, or at least more convienient, space travel would probably have been invented by now, which might imply that most of Earth's countries are sharing a similar agenda, and would thus being working together, more-or-less. Of course, at the point in which inter-galactic travel is perfected, most of humanity would have become somewhat of a hivemind, with their "physical being" only being a terminal of sorts. Then time would continue to flow and humanity would pretty much become the Downstreamers or the humans that reached the Omega Point in The Last Question.

Of course, most of this is **** from sci-fi novels, so take it with a grain of salt.

[VulpesHilarianus]

Granted we would be able to go to other planets in the next century, but by then we will also have cyborgs. The only problem I see is that it would take us three centuries to terraform Mars, and seven decades to get a sustainable population there. That doesn't take into account the fact that Mars' gravity is weaker and would require on-planet birth and conditioning. So more likely these new hybrid humans would move to Mars rather than the normal "old Era" humans. Then it would be an interplanetary war. I still think it would be nothing like Trinity Blood however.

[Guthix]

this thread has become a reference thread

[Sir Fluffykins]

References will destroy humanity

[VulpesHilarianus]

Not really references, more like comparisons. Theoretical comparisons. Anyways... Yeah. Mars.

[jinzo64]

Technology is only as good as humanity makes it.
but saying that everything that uses power is technology and puts a more significant strain on nuclear and fossil fuels so maybe technolgoy will destroy man.
machines make life easier and easier.
one day the world will be like the future in wall-e and we will be unable to provide for our selfs so we will be dependent on robots and elctricity but we never sorted out the fuel/engery problem,then one day all the fuel/engery is gone and with no robots to care for us we all die = the end of humantiy.

[VulpesHilarianus]

Wall-E never was a children's story. It was a freaking timeportal to show us what we will become. It's unpreventable. Mars.

[Neomalysys]

Wall-E never was a children's story. It was a freaking timeportal to show us what we will become. It's unpreventable. Mars.

No we can prevent the future in Wall-E from happening by ensuring Wal-Mart doesn't take over the world.

[jinzo64]

No we can prevent the future in Wall-E from happening by ensuring Wal-Mart doesn't take over the world.

or we could just stay active.