[zanemalindeal]

On this day 9 years ago terrorists flew planes into the twin towers and the pentagon and one other was stopped by its passengers. Thousands were killed that day. No matter where you believe the blame belongs those deaths are tragic. I am starting this thread as a commemoration of those lives. If you knew someone who was in the towers or pentagon or flight 93 or was involved in the rescue operation please post their name and a brief story so they can be remembered or thanked for their part in the rescue.

[Tazuto]

i know this sounds very un patriotic, but the way things are going 9/11 will end up becoming a holiday or something, i myself would just like to forget about it already, not that i dont care about the people involved, i just get tired of radical people doing crazy stuff every year for what a group of individual terrorists did almost a decade ago. but i still remember the men and women that died, just like i remember the men that died in WWII, and those who died to give us our freedom.

[jinzo64]

it could be a remeberance day with 2 minutes silence at noon.

[abyssion1337]

I also think we're making too much of a big deal at it, it's been 9 whole years. While it's not something that we should forget, like Pearl Harbor day, but we don't go as overboard with Pearl Harbor day as we do with 9/11. let's face it, if it weren't for flag wavers and tea partiers we as a society could move on because this is not the proper way to honor people who died in such a tragedy; we should have gotten over this and while it's important to not forget what happened, we should go around each year acting exactly the same way we did when it happened.

[zanemalindeal]

Anything less than remembrance is not remembrance. and i guarantee people went just as crazy after pearl harbor. I personally believe the event should piss us off until we have taught our enemies that we will fight until the last and we won't take jack ****. The Japanese attacked pearl harbor and they got nuked and shown that we mean business and aren't going anywhere. If it were a country that ordered the 9/11 attacks i'd encourage the same, but it wasn't so until the terrorists around the world learn that we mean business i think every year the videos of the planes crashing should be broadcast on all channels and have the moment of silence. The people need to know what it is we're fighting for or else the terrorists will win simply because we'll collapse upon ourselves and degrade into a civil war.

[LOLWTFBBQ]

call me sick for saying this, but I think the government (oh no! the evil "G" word!) uses the date as a reminder to keep the people a little bit more in line. instead of honoring this occasion and moving on, the government seems to stay stuck in a fearful past. remember, this occasion happened 9 years ago; the attack on pearl harbor, for example, happened on December 7th, 1941. so it makes sense that it is being remembered more than other days of infamy.

[abyssion1337]

Actually the government did the same with Pearl Harbor, not to mention that they provoked the Japanese into the attack; they were hoping the Japanese would attack so that they could better justify entering WWII. Also we should all deeply regret the use of a nuke, always, such a terrible weapon should never be used, Japan attacked us, and we fought their armies, got to their mainland and then effectively summarily executed millions of civilians. To go on, the Japs were probably surrendering but a "mistranslation" caused us to act so rashly. This may not seem relevant but I'm saying that we at least handled that situation if very very poorly at the end. Back to 9/11, if this were about punishing the terrorists that did this then we should have started doing that immediately after 9/11 instead of entering a pointless war with Iraq, but that's what you get for electing a retard president.

Now for that last line you said, the terrorist did win and I'm not trying to be funny or cute, they attacked us because they fundamentally disagree with our way of life and all those things we believe in, so the first thing we did after the attack was to take away many of our rights and freedoms that we're so proud of and that they hate us for. The point of a terrorist is to cause terror and not only did they succeed we let them succeed. Finally, saying we'll collapse into a civil war is just stupid, our entire history is based on the fact that many different opinions will get heard and while we did have one civil war it's pretty bloody damn unlikely to happen again. I think it's great that I can have a discussion with you where I say, "I disagree with your point of view and here's why," but, and this is just from how you worded it, the kind of unitedness that you seem to be proposing is more along the lines of, "your point of view is invalid and you don't belong in this society." That's also what the terrorists want, I don't think anyone is going to disagree that those who committed these crimes need to be punished but what you're saying not only seems far removed from reality, it's a reality nobody should want to be part of.

[zanemalindeal]

I'm tired of the stupidity. If i can i am going to delete this thread. I tried to do something noble for those who lost their lives, but clearly all you all care about is politics that you believe to be right.

[jinzo64]

Anything less than remembrance is not remembrance. and i guarantee people went just as crazy after pearl harbor. I personally believe the event should piss us off until we have taught our enemies that we will fight until the last and we won't take jack ****. The Japanese attacked pearl harbor and they got nuked and shown that we mean business and aren't going anywhere. If it were a country that ordered the 9/11 attacks i'd encourage the same, but it wasn't so until the terrorists around the world learn that we mean business i think every year the videos of the planes crashing should be broadcast on all channels and have the moment of silence. The people need to know what it is we're fighting for or else the terrorists will win simply because we'll collapse upon ourselves and degrade into a civil war.

i asume your american.
i wasn't going to mention the nuking of japan during the second world war as i thought this was a thread for rememberance for the victims of 9/11
not some biast history lesson, japan bombed pearl harbor about 2 years into the war and they get nuked in 2 different places,hiroshima and nagasaki if your interested.
this is what made japan the country it is today they started with the light builb and now make amazing consummer technology.
because the land is radioactive and nothing can grow there 100 years of nuclear fallout certain parts of japan children are born with deformaties.
yeah your countries tough. took japan bombing pearl harbour for america to even join the war effort against nazi germany.
so when do you plan to withdraw from the middle east and just nuke it of the face of earth.

[Shirker]

I myself wouldn't be surprised, or mind that it got a holiday dedicated to it.

Meh, I dunno... it's probably pretty stupid of me to speak from a sentimental rather than practical POV on an internet forum (that crap actually got me and some others into trouble and quite a heated argument on another forum... for some reason), and I agree that we shouldn't be actin' all depressed and sh-- every time this date comes up, but... I dunno, I just feel like this is something so finely etched into our history now that I don't see a problem with the way certain people would rather to handle it.

I mean, yeah there are gonna be politicians who would use it as a center piece to any debate, channels that glorify it for ratings, idiots who use it to be racist and religiously intolerant, and coin sellers who use it to make a quick buck, but in the end, they're a select few evil people who are exploiting a huge tragedy in our country. What makes this different from Harbor is that it happened here, in the states, to our citizens, in our buildings, in New York, by pissed off retards with no real purpose. Hell yeah, people are still gonna feel obligated to make sure it doesn't fade too quickly.

I'm not saying we must holler, cry and pray everytime 9/11 comes up, I'm just saying I find the notion of "get over it already..." just as annoying as "you'd better damn well act accordingly ever single year for forever!"

I hope I'm making sense.


*EDIT
*sigh* F--k... and now the same thing is happening here as what happened at that stupid forum I mentioned earlier. Shut the hell up before this thread gets outta hand, zanemalindea & jinzo.

[jinzo64]

sorry that just realy gets to me.
i just hate it.
i didn't mean to rant i even walked away from it but i just had to say how i felt about it.
i didn't mean cause offence.
i am sorry for my immature behavor just now.

[abyssion1337]

Jinzo, in case you're interested I'm also American, do you have a problem with me because of that?

[thedarkmessenger]

I'm American and I'm starting to get sick of my country >_>. I hate to say it, but democracy obviously isn't working.

*clarify: Stupid people shouldn't be allowed to vote. That's how we get these politicians in office.

[LOLWTFBBQ]

I'm tired of the stupidity. If i can i am going to delete this thread. I tried to do something noble for those who lost their lives, but clearly all you all care about is politics that you believe to be right.

unfortunately your right, this thread was just meant to commemorate those who died doing amazingly nobles things in a terrifying time. I remember turning on the TV and watching after the first plane hit, only to see another hit the second tower. as I watched I prayed for those people, people who did not deserve the terror. those people were police, firefighters, experience workers who spent their life doing so much good, all for nothing.

but maybe we can learn from what happened, and remember and honor those who died, they died that we might learn from that occasion, and prevent other problems from happening.

there is nothing wrong with remembering and honoring those who died that day 9 years ago

[zanemalindeal]

I'm American and I'm starting to get sick of my country >_>. I hate to say it, but democracy obviously isn't working.

*clarify: Stupid people shouldn't be allowed to vote. That's how we get these politicians in office.

Like Obama? Agreed.

[thedarkmessenger]

Like Obama? Agreed.

yeah, like Obama. I like all the promises he's making, but I can't say I'm a huge fan of how he's going about "keeping" them.

[jinzo64]

no abyss i don't dislike you for being american.
i don't hate people for there race or cultural backgrounds.
i don't dislike zanemalindeal for being american i just don't agree with his veiw on the war against terrorism.
and the way it seemed he was implying japan deserved to be nuked.
thats all.
oh i really am sorry for my rant it was totaly out of order.

[abyssion1337]

omg TDM is back awesome.

also there I have to disagree, democracy is not ideal but it's the best political system we've got (and it's not a true democracy, that would cause far more problems, we're technically a democratic republic) I think our real problem is the media, I'm all for free speech so in no way am I trying to say this needs to be regulated but Fox, Fox news Glen Beck ect. are just fear mongers and people are listening, if anything we need more people exorcising that same right, people who will be their critics, people who can who the truth, but alas it's unlikely.

don't apologize for the rant, it just appeared as though you were anti american, and while I hate many of our policies there's no reason to hate someone because of where they're from.

On the subject of Obama, He's lived up to some of his promises but his biggest problem is overestimating the power of the president, both houses of congress have pretty much decided to stop him from getting anything done without a serious compromise on the issue. While I am generally disappointed in him he's leagues ahead of Bush

[thedarkmessenger]

omg TDM is back awesome.

also there I have to disagree, democracy is not ideal but it's the best political system we've got (and it's not a true democracy, that would cause far more problems, we're technically a democratic republic) I think our real problem is the media, I'm all for free speech so in no way am I trying to say this needs to be regulated but Fox, Fox news Glen Beck ect. are just fear mongers and people are listening, if anything we need more people exorcising that same right, people who will be their critics, people who can who the truth, but alas it's unlikely.

We need more than the truth. We need people to BELIEVE the truth. And for that, people need to actually think for themselves. Thanks to politicians and religious leaders, that seems to be happening less and less. But then again, maybe people ARE thinking for themselves and I'm just not seeing it?

[zanemalindeal]

yeah, like Obama. I like all the promises he's making, but I can't say I'm a huge fan of how he's going about "keeping" them.

I don't even like his promises. He's only ever promised one thing i liked and it still hasn't even been referred back to. He said he was going to stop the exportation of jobs and then doesn't take the time to properly check an oil rig, which would have supplied jobs in the states, and shuts all off shore rigs down when one blew up.

[Shirker]

I can think of two good critics of Mr. Beck and the Fox gang. It's just that no one listens to them cuz they're technically comics. It's a shame, too. About 8 time out of 10 they've actually got some pretty important stuff to say.

[thedarkmessenger]

I don't even like his promises. He's only ever promised one thing i liked and it still hasn't even been referred back to. He said he was going to stop the exportation of jobs and then doesn't take the time to properly check an oil rig, which would have supplied jobs in the states, and shuts all off shore rigs down when one blew up.

he promised better health care. I like that. Too bad health care is getting worse.

He also promised a recovered economy. I have yet to see that.

[jinzo64]

i think things have gone of topic.
back on topic a rememberance for 9/11 wouldn't be a bad thing it would comemerate the victims of the awful attacks and those who lost there lives in service trying rescue people.

[zanemalindeal]

The government controls all media except for fox. I'm tired of people saying their opinions and getting shot, imprisoned etc. and why is it fox is the only place with the (pardon the language) balls to stand up and say what they think?

[abyssion1337]

if you mean Stewart and Colbert, they're fantastic critics of them, particularly Stewart who is brilliant and IMO completely a valid most of the time. The problem is not just that not enough people take them seriously, the majority of their audience is the kind of complacent people that aren't really active in the world

The government most certainly does not own all the other news stations, I bet you heard that from fox though. Personally I don't consider fox an actual news source so much as a radical right wing political claptrap

[thedarkmessenger]

i think things have gone of topic.
back on topic a rememberance for 9/11 wouldn't be a bad thing it would comemerate the victims of the awful attacks and those who lost there in service trying rescue people.

agreed, but I don't think we should over-do it. It happened in the past, yet a lot of people are acting like it happened today :\

[abyssion1337]

agreed, but I don't think we should over-do it. It happened in the past, yet a lot of people are acting like it happened today :\

Thanks that's what I've been trying to say, just with my penchant for wordiness it might not have come out that simply, which is what needed to happen

[jinzo64]

in england we hold memorial services across the country for the victims of ww1 and ww2 every year on rememberance sunday.
thats why i think there should be a 2 minute silence for the victims of 9/11 at noon every year.

[abyssion1337]

I've been to England but not during those times, it's a reasonable idea though.

[thedarkmessenger]

in england we hold memorial services across the country for the victims of ww1 and ww2 every year on rememberance sunday.
thats why i think there should be a 2 minute silence for the victims of 9/11 at noon every year.

That's a good idea. a 2 minute silence wouldn't be overkill.

[jinzo64]

I've been to England but not during those times, it's a reasonable idea though.
i know this off topic but what did you think were did you visit?

[abyssion1337]

honestly, the climate we agreeable, my friend took me out of London for a couple days and the countryside was beautiful. London had a completely different spirit than NYC, or even Boston and I enjoyed my time there.

[Kajimura]

i think if were going to argue about politics (which is completely fine with me) we should make a new thread for that. it was very noble what the people on the other terrorist plane did making it crash in a field in pennsylvania

[jinzo64]

thats good even though i live in england i've never visited london but i've always wanted to.

[thedarkmessenger]

i think if were going to argue about politics (which is completely fine with me) we should make a new thread for that.
fine with me, if we're still arguing politics.

[abyssion1337]

I think we did a political thread once, I don't remember it working out

[Shirker]

Yeah, it's just as touchy a subject as religion (hell, if not more). I can see the glorious array of flames now....

[thedarkmessenger]

burn, baby, burn! >8D

[abyssion1337]

I mean we've already had some borderline flaming on this thread, where people have stated valid opinions and other people have called them stupid for no better reason than that they disagree with that opinion

[jinzo64]

i'd rather not.

[thedarkmessenger]

politics is a very delicate issue for most (if not all) people. If someone does create a political thread, get ready for flame wars. Same goes for a religious thread.

[abyssion1337]

so if this happens then one could say that we did start the flame war

[jinzo64]

sounds like dangerous terratory
theres not much point if it'll just be a flame war.

[thedarkmessenger]

Agreed. Let's get back on topic now :P

[jinzo64]

good idea
back on topic.
9/11 is almost over.

[thedarkmessenger]

7 more hours for me.

that reminds me...I still haven't done anything in remembrance D:.

[Fishfreeek]

I diddnt even notice it was 9/11 today which is quite bad as I was doing reductions on todays date food at tescos today....

[thedarkmessenger]

I'mma play some Modern Warfare...

...or maybe Ace Combat: Joint Assualt? Ace Combat has planes...

[jinzo64]

to be honest i didn't notice either.