[Zarxrax]

With AMV Hell 6.66 out of the way now, its time to start thinking about what's coming next.
What I have decided so far is that the next project will be something along the lines of AMV Hell Championship Edition.

However, the main difference from CE will be that, rather than requiring everyone to edit to the same song, each round will just have a general theme that needs to be adhered to. Maybe these themes will be a certain genre of music, a certain artist, or just a certain general concept.
I already have several ideas planned out for a number of different rounds.

I am planning to start a new round every 2 weeks, but leave each round open for 1 month, so everyone has time to make something.

So, basically it works like this: Make a video adhering to the theme of the current round -> all the videos get voted on -> a winner emerges for that round. Then at the end of it all, a compilation video is released.

There are a lot of different details that I need to work out about how this will be run though, and for that, I would like to turn to the community here for some input and ideas on what you would like to see.

Here are the main topics up for discussion.

1) Should each editor be limited to making 1 entry per round, or can they have multiple entries? Should there be a limit?
Good editors might end up getting votes split between two or more of their videos, causing them to lose a round that they might have otherwise won. Some people might make lots of crappy videos which we will all be subjected to, in hopes that one of them will be a big hit.
*I will reserve the right to exclude videos which I find exceptionally horrible*

2) Should voting be done by the public, or by judges?
If public, I will keep the voting results hidden until the round is over. Also, it could potentially be gamed by someone using lots of fake accounts, or by recruiting people to vote for them.
If judges, I will probably randomly choose about 3 judges each round, from a pool of about 10.

3) Should competitors be required to keep their videos anonymous?
Voting could possibly be swayed if people know who made a certain video, especially if voting is done by judges. Enforcement could be very difficult though.

4) Should there be a hard limit on video length? How long?
There might inevitably be some awesome video that would end up being just a few seconds too long.

Are there any other considerations that I might have overlooked?

Overall, I think that this exercise will be a good way of encouraging people to get better at making amvs, and to put more effort into their work.

[Haar]

My initial thoughts:
1. Single video per editor, mostly due to what you said about votes getting split up amongst their stuff and for the sake of brevity.

2. Public voting, but with a cutoff date for how new the accounts can be that are used for voting, in preparation for the alleged sock puppetry.

3. Some people have distinct editing styles and shows/bands only they use, so keeping things anonymous will be too difficult, since we know that there's a 90% chance of a Jem video being N.P.C.C.'s, 90% chance of a Duane & BrandO video being mine, et cetera et cetera.

4. 30 seconds. No exceptions. We may lose a few good entries, but the amount of bad ones we'd lose would definitely offset that.

[jinzo64]

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Here are the main topics up for discussion.

1) Should each editor be limited to making 1 entry per round or can they have multiple entries?
this Idea of 1 clip per round should be phase tested just to see how any videos you get.


Should there be a limit? Yes Up to 10 subbmissions the best 5 making it in.


Good editors might end up getting votes split between two or more of their videos, causing them to lose a round that they might have otherwise won. Some people might make lots of crappy videos which we will all be subjected to, in hopes that one of them will be a big hit.
this depends on the voting system,but if everyone is only allowed 1 entry everything should pass unless it is realy traggic.
*I will reserve the right to exclude videos which I find exceptionally horrible*


2) Should voting be done by the public, or by judges?
If public, I will keep the voting results hidden until the round is over. Also, it could potentially be gamed by someone using lots of fake accounts, or by recruiting people to vote for them.
stick to judges but they should be anonymous.

If judges, I will probably randomly choose about 3 judges each round, from a pool of about 10.
who will you decide how will be in the pool of 10?
I'd like be to be in the pool if you go down that route.


3) Should competitors be required to keep their videos anonymous?
Voting could possibly be swayed if people know who made a certain video, especially if voting is done by judges. Enforcement could be very difficult though.
yes that is a good idea as it should get rid of faveratism.


4) Should there be a hard limit on video length? yes.

How long? between 30 - 40 secs.

There might inevitably be some awesome video that would end up being just a few seconds too long. so true we should have an over reach of 5 seconds.


Are there any other considerations that I might have overlooked?

Overall, I think that this exercise will be a good way of encouraging people to get better at making amvs, and to put more effort into their work.

I think better reviews from the judges would do a lot for that.


Jinzo64 used Rant attack
Another thing that might make people make more amvs is to not put realy bad amvs in the hell series looking at 6.66 panty and stocking toilet clip,Well to honest I think it was a harsh kick in the nacks for everyone that had stuff refused. Amv maker what the F**k this S**T was deemed good enough for hell 6 when the video I spent 20 hours on and remade 4 times even improved the overal quality of the footage and audio wasn't. F**k this whats the point in making videos and wasting all my time if my videosare going to be deemed worse than a girl sitting on the toilet with diareha noises and a death god chasing an apple with the nyan cat music.
Both videos sucked an weren't worth it.

[SuperLoliSentai]

I agree with haar on almost all accounts and would like to add to the whole leaving anonymous part would also restrict obtaining help from people. I know this is a competition but I doubt that the people that help others on this site would really throw a person under the bus.. right? It would kind of show not a lot of confidence in their own work if they did.

I would argue though that judges might be the better option to make the process go more smoothly

[LawRayLiet]

1) Should each editor be limited to making 1 entry per round, or can they have multiple entries? Should there be a limit?
Good editors might end up getting votes split between two or more of their videos, causing them to lose a round that they might have otherwise won. Some people might make lots of crappy videos which we will all be subjected to, in hopes that one of them will be a big hit.
*I will reserve the right to exclude videos which I find exceptionally horrible*

I think only one entry per round is fair. It should be up to them to decide which they think will be the hit and enter the one of their choosing.


2) Should voting be done by the public, or by judges?
If public, I will keep the voting results hidden until the round is over. Also, it could potentially be gamed by someone using lots of fake accounts, or by recruiting people to vote for them.
If judges, I will probably randomly choose about 3 judges each round, from a pool of about 10.

This is a tough one...
If it were by judges, I think a few good, knowledgeable(in or at least about editing) judges should be chosen. If possible, ones who's opinion will be respected, so there wont be any "The judges were "x" "y" & "z", they no nothing about editing!!" excuse.

If it were to be public, I'd say the poll would have to be watched very carefully, checking IPs for multiple accounts and any suspiciously new users. (which isn't exactly a solid plan)
To be honest I'm leaning more towards assigned judges(although possibly more variety than just 3), to avoid a lot of the problems below, but at the same time I imagine a public poll would make a more satisfying voting result(for the community).


3) Should competitors be required to keep their videos anonymous?
Voting could possibly be swayed if people know who made a certain video, especially if voting is done by judges. Enforcement could be very difficult though.

If that were possible I would say yes, but if even one person goes around telling their friends in private, it becomes an uneven poll.


4) Should there be a hard limit on video length? How long?
There might inevitably be some awesome video that would end up being just a few seconds too long.

A hard time limit would be bad. We want the best videos possible and sometimes to get the ending you want, it need to go on a little longer. If they decide to make their video 45 seconds long, then that may be a bad call on their end since their video may seem to drag on, but giving them that judgement call to make is all part of the competition. (of course nothing to ridiculously long)

[mattroks101]

My initial thoughts:
1. Single video per editor, mostly due to what you said about votes getting split up amongst their stuff and for the sake of brevity.

2. Public voting, but with a cutoff date for how new the accounts can be that are used for voting, in preparation for the alleged sock puppetry.

3. Some people have distinct editing styles and shows/bands only they use, so keeping things anonymous will be too difficult, since we know that there's a 90% chance of a Jem video being N.P.C.C.'s, 90% chance of a Duane & BrandO video being mine, et cetera et cetera.

4. 30 seconds. No exceptions. We may lose a few good entries, but the amount of bad ones we'd lose would definitely offset that.

I agree with Haar.

[SuperLoliSentai]

I agree with Haar.

What a surprise! :)

[mattroks101]

Well why bother writing out a long list that essentially mirror's Haar's, when I can just state that I Haar has just said what I am going to say already.

[Haar]

http://i.imgur.com/prJcnof.jpg

[SuperLoliSentai]

I was just ****ing with you... I pretty much did the same thing except for the one thing I disagreed with him on

[Zarxrax]

Hmm, it seems like the anonymity aspect would just open a whole can of worms that i probably don't want to get into. I will probably just strongly suggest that people keep their work anonymous, but just leave it at that.

I think public polling might make the videos more exciting, will give people a sense that they need to watch each episode and that their opinion can make a difference (maybe?). But I just know someone would try to take advantage of it. We can probably check IP addresses and stuff, but there are ways around it for people who are dedicated enough. It comes down to how obvious it looks though. If a video wins despite that it clearly sucks, thats a good indication that something is up... but if a video is good, it might be hard to find out.
I don't think limiting account age for voting rights is a good idea, because many people might see the video on youtube, and then want to come set up an account just to vote. I think that person shouldn't be turned away just because they are new.

I don't really think most people would cheat though...
But something like that can be so easy to do, its tempting.

[SuperLoliSentai]

I am just going to copy and paste what I said to haar in chat about judges vs public voting

"I don't think I will get a video in but I would rather be confident that someone that zarx trusts to vote fairly make the decision than a bunch of morons that would probably flock to the video that other people already liked"

[LawRayLiet]

How long will the voting poll stay open per round?

Also, I'm sure there's a way you can limit registrations by IP to maybe 1 a month or so. And for those who send in entries, you could pay special attention to any double accounts they may have under the same IP and if there's voting from it in the poll.
It wont eliminate it, but should reduce it if there's any of that.

[Distict5-9]

Can't say that I really trust the 50+ Guests with simply voting on a poll to pick the best clip...

How about voting through actual posts rather than polls, along with a critique as to why you honestly preferred one skit over the other? It may not cut down completely on the brain-less voting, but it does at least make for some interesting discussions (read: bitching)...

[Zarxrax]

I am just going to copy and paste what I said to haar in chat about judges vs public voting

"I don't think I will get a video in but I would rather be confident that someone that zarx trusts to vote fairly make the decision than a bunch of morons that would probably flock to the video that other people already liked"

If I do judges, there will be a variety of different people in the judging pool. They wont all necessarily be great editors, or even likable people.


ALSO, if I do judges, then we also have to come up with a voting system.
Just having each judge choose their favorite wont work, because they could all pick different videos.
Picking your top 3 videos also isn't necessarily optimal.
I was thinking maybe something like, give each judge 10 points to allocate among videos as they see fit.

[Zarxrax]

Can't say that I really trust the 50+ Guests with simply voting on a poll to pick the best clip...

How about voting through actual posts rather than polls, along with a critique as to why you honestly preferred one skit over the other? It may not cut down completely on the brain-less voting, but it does at least make for some interesting discussions (read: bitching)...

Hmm... now that's an interesting idea. It would be annoying to go through and pick out all the actual "vote" posts from among discussion though.
Also some people might be hesitant to really comment too deeply on videos for fear of hurting people's feel--oh wait, never mind, this is the internet, everyone will be brutally honest.

[SuperLoliSentai]

If I do judges, there will be a variety of different people in the judging pool. They wont all necessarily be great editors, or even likable people.

I would still take that over the masses, just as long as you trust them

[The Real Inferno]

1) Should each editor be limited to making 1 entry per round, or can they have multiple entries? Should there be a limit?
Good editors might end up getting votes split between two or more of their videos, causing them to lose a round that they might have otherwise won. Some people might make lots of crappy videos which we will all be subjected to, in hopes that one of them will be a big hit.
*I will reserve the right to exclude videos which I find exceptionally horrible*

There should be a limit. At the very most, only two per person. One would be preferable.



2) Should voting be done by the public, or by judges?
If public, I will keep the voting results hidden until the round is over. Also, it could potentially be gamed by someone using lots of fake accounts, or by recruiting people to vote for them.
If judges, I will probably randomly choose about 3 judges each round, from a pool of about 10.

Random Judges. Voting would breed a popularity contest. Random anonymous judging would be more fair to everyone involved.

3) Should competitors be required to keep their videos anonymous?
Voting could possibly be swayed if people know who made a certain video, especially if voting is done by judges. Enforcement could be very difficult though.


Definitely anonymous editors. While it can't be enforced, it probably shouldn't be encouraged. If coupled with anonymous judging, it would pretty muc eliminate popularity swaying and the possibility of anyone annoyingly trying to "campaign" their stuff around.


4) Should there be a hard limit on video length? How long?
There might inevitably be some awesome video that would end up being just a few seconds too long.

I would set a variable length depending on the category. Hell, one of the categories could even be long/short videos.

Are there any other considerations that I might have overlooked?
If you leave it open to public voting, there needs to be a convenient way for people to view all entries in a category. If you do the judges, you will have to have a process of deciding how to pool your judges you want to pull from (as well as have a backup plan for if one or more decide to flake). Voting should not begin until after the deadlines for submissions either way. Entries shouldn't even be made available to judges/voters for viewing until then due to the influence of that recency and "whichever I saw first" syndrome. As a teacher, I have to point out how hard it is to not let the order/recency of things being presented affect how much you like them.

[hosokawa37]

My insight:

1) I think maybe a limit of 2 entries. If the category was a certain genre, for example, there would be so many songs to choose from, and some editors might find many ideas [look at me: I have made so many skits using Disturbed xD]. If a round was done with a certain song, like for example "Party Rock Anthem", then that's where I think 1 entry per editor should be incorporated

2) I like the 3 judges idea, but maybe you can rotate them per round, if you have 10 per say.
for example: round 1 could be judged by judges A, B, and C; round 2 by judges E, F, G; round 3 by judges D, H, J; round 4 by judges A, F, I; and so forth. i think this will give a lot of different viewpoints for clips
I also think the judges should be those who either are not competing in CE, or at the very least, people who don't participate in the round they are judging [if going with the judge rotation idea]

3) anonymous is a good idea, but idk how we can submit skits w/o given identification

4) yes, there should be a limit, but maybe get away with a longer limit than amv minis. i'd say no more than 45 secs [give or take a few secs]

I also like the idea of a new idea every 2 weeks, with a month deadline.

btw, i havent looked at the other ideas yet, since I'm working on a final paper, but when I do, I'll try to give feedback on them

[ThatsNotMyName_studio]

If I do judges, there will be a variety of different people in the judging pool. They wont all necessarily be great editors, or even likable people.
Awesome!, that means I may have a turn at it.

Anyway, I'm another toady for Haar's responses.

Adding in:
I'm a fan of both the Electoral College approach and the Member Polling. It seems that you could use them together.
As for the bogus accounts, It's easily possible to create the voting booth within a restricted access forum. Say to Senior Member and up (100 posts, i think) for example.
In a special case when you know it's legit, a MOD like Mad or Law should be able to add them to the access list (if they beg for it, of course!).

[The Real Inferno]

I also think the judges should be those who either are not competing in CE, or at the very least, people who don't participate in the round they are judging [if going with the judge rotation idea]

Oh, yeah. Judges should know in advance what round they would be judging so they dont submit entries to it.

[LawRayLiet]

Can't say that I really trust the 50+ Guests with simply voting on a poll to pick the best clip...

How about voting through actual posts rather than polls, along with a critique as to why you honestly preferred one skit over the other? It may not cut down completely on the brain-less voting, but it does at least make for some interesting discussions (read: bitching)...

This is the bright idea needed, and a great comprise between the judge/public poll as well. Could just make a one post per person rule to eliminate any tedious digging for actual votes. Then could maybe make a general discussion thread if necessary.

[Haar]

I also like that idea, the more that I think about it.

[adzman]

If I do judges, there will be a variety of different people in the judging pool. They wont all necessarily be great editors, or even likable people.


ALSO, if I do judges, then we also have to come up with a voting system.
Just having each judge choose their favorite wont work, because they could all pick different videos.
Picking your top 3 videos also isn't necessarily optimal.
I was thinking maybe something like, give each judge 10 points to allocate among videos as they see fit.

I would personally prefer this.

Also I think a time limit of 30 seconds is fine with up to 5 seconds extra for REALLY awesome clips. We don't need any more minute long Stein clips.

[zemoo]

If there are judges I like the idea of varied judges, having an editor, knowledgable fan, and zarx would make a varied set of opinions and help reduced biased voting.
To recruit judges you could make a "judge test" where you have ~three clips and have people tryout by critiquing them each with 500 words or less, something like that. One of the clips could be a red herring and if you don't recognize it as such you would be taken out of consideration. Zarx would decide by this test if someone is judge material and add them to the pool. You could have editors and prior judges bypass this test if zarx deems them qualified.
Or you could run polls and judging concurrently and have a winner for both, though this would be too many videos if they don't reach the same result often.(it would be an interesting experiment to see if they do)

If you're going to set a time limit make it strict: 30 seconds plus some leeway is virtually the same as strictly < 35 second

I think anonymity is a good thing, even if it is a logistical nightmare, it would help judging/voting be more objective.

[ijp92]

If you're going to set a time limit make it strict: 30 seconds plus some leeway is virtually the same as strictly < 35 second

The leeway thing is pretty easily solvable if you have judges. Give a higher time limit (say 35 or maybe even 40 seconds) on submissions but tell the judges to consider going over 30 seconds to be a demerit. So long as we trust the judges opinions we can make it so that longer videos have to be better.

[Buttdorf]

I'm new to the forums and the first problem that comes to my mind about having voting open to everyone is new people who haven't seen that many Anime just voting for the Naruto, DBZ or Bleach vids because that's the only Anime they know.
I think the idea of giving however many Judges an allowance of points sounds good and could have Zarx have more points, like double that of the individual Judges.
Just my two cents.

[Shuiia]

ok here's what I think:

1) I'd say have each editor send in 2 videos per round. This way the number of videos to be judged may be limited a bit and the problem of multiple videos of the same editor winning at the same time can also be cut down a bit as it is easier to decide between 2 clips rather than 3 or 4.

2) I'd say public if there weren't too many dangers in that. My suggestion is pick some random forum members every round(as opposed to judges who could be chosen multiple times).

3) Try as hard as you can to keep the videos anonymous, this to prevent people from getting their opinions and "criticism" coloured by editors they like and to allow for a more in depth judgement in choosing the clips.

4) 20 to 25 seconds and 30 to 35 seconds for REALY funny clips. No more...

[SilentChaz]

each round will just have a general theme that needs to be adhered to. Maybe these themes will be a certain genre of music, a certain artist, or just a certain general concept.Sounds cool. Like the idea.

Overall, I think that this exercise will be a good way of encouraging people to get better at making amvs, and to put more effort into their work. Here’s hoping.
Of course- people getting better at making amvs is all well and good, but our ultimate goal remains the same: make funny AMV Hell compilations. Yes?

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Discussion Topics:

1) Should each editor be limited to making 1 entry per round?


No. I’ll side with Shuiia on this one, two entries per editor per round sounds fair. Don’t want to stifle creativity and or contributions.

2) Should voting be done by the public, or by judges?


I’d go with a public vote on this one.
I mean- isn’t the “public” our audience? We want to make them laugh, right?
No? Then who is our audience and why are we doing this?

Otherwise-

give each judge 10 points to allocate among videos as they see fit.^This sounds fine.

3) Should competitors be required to keep their videos anonymous? Voting could possibly be swayed if people know who made a certain video


Required to remain anon? No.
Okay, I haven’t been here long, but is the AMV Hell community really that sad? Playing favourites and cliques with other members?
Personally, I don’t care who makes what around here; if a clip makes me laugh, it would get my vote.
It’s the clip, not the editor. Right?

4) Should there be a hard limit on video length?


No.
I would strongly encourage that most contributions be kept under 20 seconds…but the awesome Powerthirst clip of 6.66 was over a minute long, so what do I know about video lengths?

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Are there any other considerations that I might have overlooked?
The way things sound to be going right now- any submitted clips would have to be final… that is to say- the clip in question will be viewed and voted on as it is, eliminating any chance the editor may have for a quick fix / edit after constructive criticism- which might have improved the clip drastically…

Just something to think about, but maybe I’ve misinterpreted...

[EvilestDeath]

1. Multiple entries allowed. Don't shun those who put forth extra work like HaarTheDragonlord will.

2. Do you want this video to suck? Of course judging needs to be done by the public but each video needs to have the creators name removed while its being judged. Ex. a video with your name on the title Zarxrax may get some votes for the name alone not the quality of the video.

3. Yeah...or no. If a videos worked on by multiple editors then no but can only be sheared between the two. If its a solo thing then it should be kept hidden till its judged. Or else we will get plenty of complaints of people seeing these videos months ahead of time or something stupid like that.

4. Video length should be regular AMV Hell video length. 5-45 seconds I would say sounds good. With minor exceptions on each end depending on overall quality of the work.

5. Other considerations....there are plenty but I am too lazy to think of any at the moment.

[Haar]

Don't shun those who put forth extra work like HaarTheDragonlord will.
Stop that.

[LawRayLiet]

If you want a fair competition, I think entries should be limited to something that most editors can reasonably meet. Since this is for increasing quality throughout the community, then I'd say it's better to put a lot of extra time into 1 or 2 quality clips then a bunch of half-assed "why the hell not" skits. Quality > Quantity

[Ginger126]

The way I view it is that there should only be one video submitted per person per round. This is a competition of sorts to promote increasingly better amv output from the community. Not only that but in a competition, in most cases, you enter your best work. This would also cause amv creators, especially the newer perhaps more novice ones, to really reflect on what they submit. Asking questions like "Is this worth my one entry? Would it be humorous to everyone else? Is there a way to make it better? Maybe there's a better amv out there I could make." Just a thought.

Originally I was leaning more towards judges but reading the prior ideas I rather like the idea that there be a vote by post with a limit of one post per member, with a separate thread for discussion. Sure there will be those whom may post twice without thinking but I believe this can be monitored and will be of minor consequence. Keeping people from recruiting people to vote for them or making multiple accounts would be rather difficult however. I would like to have faith in the community that this wouldn't happen, but... I'll just leave it at that.

I agree with haar, concerning anonymity of the clips. Some editors have fairly signature style, anime, and other tell tale give-aways. Plus I would personally like to see all those whom have sent in entries and attempted at adding to this project. This is the internet where I have learned respect is next to none existent. Maybe I can't speak for everyone but I'm going to vote for the ones I find the funniest, most well done, and overall good quality. I could careless who really made the clip, as far as influencing my vote goes.

On a side note, I would like to make a crazy suggestion. Perhaps we could use this project as a means to transition AMV Hell towards more HD AMVs? I am not an editor (currently) so I do not know how difficult this transition would be for everyone. Since this is a more minor project as compared to say 3, 4, 5 and 6/6.66 I think this could be a great opportunity to try for even higher quality AMVs. This is just a thought, I feel it is one of the next steps that we will need to take eventually, and sooner is often better than later.

30 seconds seems a perfect cut off, period. That's my only comment there.

[Guthix]

If I do judges, there will be a variety of different people in the judging pool. They wont all necessarily be great editors, or even likable people.


ALSO, if I do judges, then we also have to come up with a voting system.
Just having each judge choose their favorite wont work, because they could all pick different videos.
Picking your top 3 videos also isn't necessarily optimal.
I was thinking maybe something like, give each judge 10 points to allocate among videos as they see fit.
ok...
heres my 2 cents make the public poll and have judges, polls will have 25-50% score and the judges the rest. this way everyone gets to voive an opinion, the clips will get a decent examination and fraud will be [atleast] half as less effective

[SuperLoliSentai]

ok...
heres my 2 cents make the public poll and have judges, polls will have 25-50% score and the judges the rest. this way everyone gets to voive an opinion, the clips will get a decent examination and fraud will be [atleast] half as less effective

I second this idea

[vejtornado]

would love another live action and tokusatsu episode

[The Real Inferno]

ok...
heres my 2 cents make the public poll and have judges, polls will have 25-50% score and the judges the rest. this way everyone gets to voive an opinion, the clips will get a decent examination and fraud will be [atleast] half as less effective

I could get behind this.

I also think that for judges, you can't do the point distribution system for one reason. If a judge really really wanted a clip in, they could dump all their points (or whatever the max is) into it and purposefully snub other videos that might have points spread across them. Of course, this would be way harder to do if results/scores remain completely unknown to even the judges until time is up.

[Zarxrax]

I personally don't like the idea of having both judges and a public poll. I would like to go with one or the other.
Actually I am kind of leaning more towards the public polling, based on the fact that it creates more engagement with the community.
Also, looking at the results of the informal polling that has taken place regarding previous amv hells/minis, the results are usually pretty solid.

[Buttdorf]

I personally don't like the idea of having both judges and a public poll. I would like to go with one or the other.
Actually I am kind of leaning more towards the public polling, based on the fact that it creates more engagement with the community.
Also, looking at the results of the informal polling that has taken place regarding previous amv hells/minis, the results are usually pretty solid.

If it's been solid in the past I don't see why it would change now, especially if this is a community effort to improve the quality of amv hell. But hey this is the internet... here's hoping.

Oh how were you gonna pick the themes for the rounds, are you just going to think of them all yourself or ask the community for ideas on some or do a poll on some of them too.

p.s. I think it makes sense to limit 1 vid per round so that people can focus on making it the best it can be, instead of splitting their time on two or more vids to submit and them all suffering in quality.

[EvilestDeath]

I personally don't like the idea of having both judges and a public poll. I would like to go with one or the other.
Actually I am kind of leaning more towards the public polling, based on the fact that it creates more engagement with the community.
Also, looking at the results of the informal polling that has taken place regarding previous amv hells/minis, the results are usually pretty solid.
Do a public poll for each, problem solved.
I guarantee you will get more complaining if you have specific judges for this sort of thing so heres a way to avoid some expected negative feedback while this process is going on.

[Magicplayerzombie]

I would like round one to have an easy theme so that even new people can try it out.

[EvilestDeath]

I would like round one to have an easy theme so that even new people can try it out.
The only thing simple enough for that is if round 1 had an instrumental track chosen or was to be nothing but dance clips. The simplest to do but also sort of boring. But keeping things simple at first actually would be perfect to get more people interested early on.

[Zarxrax]

Regarding public voting, if people have to write their pick in a forum thread, then this also has the side effect of letting everyone know what votes have been cast so far. This would allow for strategic voting, and for people to be influenced by votes that have already been cast.
I'm not saying that these are necessarily bad things, but its something to note.

[LawRayLiet]

I wonder if there's a way to make it so a user is only able to see their own post...

[Haar]

I would like round one to have an easy theme so that even new people can try it out.

Exactly what counts as a hard theme?

[Zarxrax]

So far based on the feedback, there seems to be a variety of opinions.

But I'm thinking I will probably be going with this format:

- 1 video per editor.
- Public voting by a poll where votes will be hidden until the end, and then we can see who everyone voted for afterwards. (many of the suggestions really seem to add complexity and could make the process seem like more of a chore to voters)
- Suggest keeping videos anonymous as a courtesy, but do nothing to enforce it.
- Suggest videos be under 30 seconds, hard limit of 40 seconds.

[Magicplayerzombie]

Exactly what counts as a hard theme?

I would think that a hard theme for the first round would be using some of the popular anime. From my point of view, most of the popular animes have a lot of AMVs done to them already that it will take a little bit of a challenge to create an original clip without accidentally copying an old AMV.

[Zarxrax]

The first round will be hard. But I'll compensate by making an easy round 2.

[Sir Fluffykins]

Will the voting begin after all submissions have been received, or while they come in?

[adzman]

That's just a silly question fluffy. Of course it's after they've all been received.

[LawRayLiet]

I just hope to get a chance to use some of the good ideas I already have. If not they'll just have to be backlogged until...

[Chewi105]

1) Limit em. We dunt want 35 submissions from one guy.
2) Judges. Random voting could cause the project to be not good.
3) Nah, it shouldnt be a problem if someone us know to be submitting clips, but could cause problems if people see 5 submissions accepted from one guy.
4) Yea, 30 seconds seems fine enough, we dont want really long submissions clogging up the flow.

[Guthix]

1) Limit em. We dunt want 35 submissions from one guy.
2) Judges. Random voting could cause the project to be not good.
3) Nah, it shouldnt be a problem if someone us know to be submitting clips, but could cause problems if people see 5 submissions accepted from one guy.
4) Yea, 30 seconds seems fine enough, we dont want really long submissions clogging up the flow.

i see a zombie

[Zarxrax]

Hmm... I just thought of a possible serious problem with public voting.

Videos are supposed to adhere to a specific theme each round.
Voters would be likely to just choose whatever video they liked best, regardless of if it fit the theme or not. I could instruct people that they should consider how well the video fits the theme... but seriously... would people listen?
I could see this possibly getting gamed by someone just submitting a really funny video that they made, with no regard to whether it adheres to the theme or not, and then just getting lots of votes because its an awesome video.

Any ideas how to handle this?
Should I actually have faith that the public would vote properly, and penalize an otherwise good video because it doesn't adhere to the theme? Should I personally reject videos that I find do not adhere to the theme? I had planned on keeping the themes kind of open to interpretation, to give people flexibility to possibly come up with unique or interesting ways of meeting the requirements.

[SuperLoliSentai]

hahaha faith in the public? no...

I still am in favor of judges but maybe you having the ability to reject any clip that really doesn't adhere to the theme is a viable solution to keep the voting public.

[LawRayLiet]

Hmm... I just thought of a possible serious problem with public voting.

Videos are supposed to adhere to a specific theme each round.
Voters would be likely to just choose whatever video they liked best, regardless of if it fit the theme or not. I could instruct people that they should consider how well the video fits the theme... but seriously... would people listen?
I could see this possibly getting gamed by someone just submitting a really funny video that they made, with no regard to whether it adheres to the theme or not, and then just getting lots of votes because its an awesome video.

Any ideas how to handle this?
Should I actually have faith that the public would vote properly, and penalize an otherwise good video because it doesn't adhere to the theme? Should I personally reject videos that I find do not adhere to the theme? I had planned on keeping the themes kind of open to interpretation, to give people flexibility to possibly come up with unique or interesting ways of meeting the requirements.

I actually thought about this also. Only thing you can do is to set a threshold and make it clear so people know that if they don't adhere to the theme then they're wasting their time. I think as long as people know they only get one submission and that it could very well be rejected if they don't follow the theme, they'll follow it as best they can to be safe.

[Guthix]

Hmm... I just thought of a possible serious problem with public voting.

Videos are supposed to adhere to a specific theme each round.
Voters would be likely to just choose whatever video they liked best, regardless of if it fit the theme or not. I could instruct people that they should consider how well the video fits the theme... but seriously... would people listen?
I could see this possibly getting gamed by someone just submitting a really funny video that they made, with no regard to whether it adheres to the theme or not, and then just getting lots of votes because its an awesome video.

Any ideas how to handle this?
Should I actually have faith that the public would vote properly, and penalize an otherwise good video because it doesn't adhere to the theme? Should I personally reject videos that I find do not adhere to the theme? I had planned on keeping the themes kind of open to interpretation, to give people flexibility to possibly come up with unique or interesting ways of meeting the requirements.

use judges [well frankly could name something else] to filther the themes [not quality] which then voted by the [retarted] masses.

[hosokawa37]

plus, i feel if the public voted, they would see what videos make it in before the final product comes out, and that would take the surprise out of the video, which I felt with AMV Hell 6 and 6.66 [though i do enjoy 6.66 x3]. it was just a tad annoying seeing repeat skits, since i like seeing new skits x3

[Sir Fluffykins]

Then filter the ones that don't fit the theme, or at the least -filter the ones you feel don't fit what you had in mind.

Then unleash them on the masses.

Suggested Themes:

Dr Weird
Boob Montages
Azumanga Diaoh
"I was writing a paper, on the pc, and it went-"
Family Guy + Simpsons
Evangelion ONLY clips (the more overused the scene the better)
Jokes someone else already did in hell. (Being better optional)
Songs someone else already did in hell (Being worse required)
Only Submit clips you've already entered in AMV Nightmare/Yume/Salad/Ru-Comix/Enfer
Ultra-violent, bloody clips, but that are alright because they have censored swear words in the audio
Funny audio quotes that don't link with the visuals (bonus points for using flash-animations or abridged-series audio completely out of context, just because it's "hilarious")
Nyaa Cat
Super Robot Unicorn Attack
Ouran High School Host Club with blonde guy singing some song that was nothing to do with either what's currently happening or the theme of the show
Overly Gay man scenes to gay music clips

;)

[The Real Inferno]

I'm making a note to bitch more in the future.

[Haar]

Overly Gay man scenes to gay music clips

Haven't you already done 15 of those in AMV Hell Tennis, thus giving you an unfair advantage?

[ThatsNotMyName_studio]

What if you flipped it around and had a mob poll to pick the losers?
First, present the entries as they are and poll to vote out entries.
This would have the benefit that they can then be voted on whether they fit
the theme or not. Then judge the remainders.
Say you get 65 entries.
25 get voted out
20 get judged out
20 appear in the finished project.

[AniDisFan]

Remember the first episode of AMV Minis Season 2, in which all the clips used no spoken dialogue?

How about a special episode that does the opposite, meaning that all the clips use spoken dialogue.

[Zarxrax]

I'm planning to begin AMV Minis Challenge tomorrow :)

[Thetruecrow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-LbvFckptY

[Sir Fluffykins]

Yeah! Bring it!

[MasterChiefSnake]

I have a idea for either AMV Hell or AMV Mini. How about they should add the anime called, The Devil is a Part-Timer! with sound/audio of Family Guy scene called, Ding Fries are Done. I haven't seen The Devil is a Part-Timer! anime, but I have seen some episodes of Family Guy. Here it is the example and hint.
http://ani.me/site_media/media/articles/2013/04/06/the_devil_is_a_part_timer_02_png_650x10000_q85.jpg
+

http://youtu.be/-utS4qVMzkg?t=5s
Then combine all into the AMV Hell/Mini.
By the way, I am the new for this forum. I'm here to support your studio.

[Haar]

I have a idea for either AMV Hell or AMV Mini. How about they should add the anime called, The Devil is a Part-Timer! with sound/audio of Family Guy scene called, Ding Fries are Done.

That was actually done in a previous episode. (http://youtu.be/T0136fQXA7Y?t=1m55s)

[thedarkmessenger]

By the way, I am the new for this forum. I'm here to support your studio.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! "studio"? We're professionals now?

Also, your idea is less an idea for the entire series and more an idea someone could use to make a video for the series. We have a separate thread for that.

[Sir Fluffykins]

I have a idea for either AMV Hell or AMV Mini. How about they should add the anime called, The Devil is a Part-Timer! with sound/audio of Family Guy scene called, Ding Fries are Done. I haven't seen The Devil is a Part-Timer! anime, but I have seen some episodes of Family Guy. Here it is the example and hint.
http://ani.me/site_media/media/articles/2013/04/06/the_devil_is_a_part_timer_02_png_650x10000_q85.jpg
+

http://youtu.be/-utS4qVMzkg?t=5s
Then combine all into the AMV Hell/Mini.
By the way, I am the new for this forum. I'm here to support your studio.

This exact idea was done...rather badly just recently.

[adzman]

**** you too fluffy

[Sir Fluffykins]

Why was the audio so weak then, the previous Azumanga Clip had far better audio

[jinzo64]

I have a idea for either AMV Hell or AMV Mini. How about they should add the anime called, The Devil is a Part-Timer! with sound/audio of Family Guy scene called, Ding Fries are Done. I haven't seen The Devil is a Part-Timer! anime, but I have seen some episodes of Family Guy. Here it is the example and hint.
http://ani.me/site_media/media/articles/2013/04/06/the_devil_is_a_part_timer_02_png_650x10000_q85.jpg
+

http://youtu.be/-utS4qVMzkg?t=5s
Then combine all into the AMV Hell/Mini.
By the way, I am the new for this forum. I'm here to support your studio.


This exact idea was done...rather badly just recently.

where was this idea done recently?
I think I blinked and missed it.

[Sir Fluffykins]

That was actually done in a previous episode. (http://youtu.be/T0136fQXA7Y?t=1m55s)

^Exactly where Haar linked

[jinzo64]

I'd forgot about that.
erm it wasn't great but it wasn't all that bad either.

[MasterChiefSnake]

I didn't know that. Thanks for telling me. I haven't seen all episodes of AMV Minis. I have seen 1st of AMV Hell to 5th AMV Hell. I've also seen only one episode of AMV Minis. Ding Fries are Done in The Devil is a Part-Timer! was actually original audio, not an Family Guy version. Can you remake it? So by the way, anyone else could make Girls und Panzer with the sound/audio from World of Tanks game for AMV Minis?

[jinzo64]

Ideas

Final Fantasy/Kingdom hearts clips

Marvel vs DC comics

Pokemon and digimon

[Zarxrax]

closing this thread since it was old, and further discussion here might confuse people.