[SilentChaz]

Question: If more judges were to be introduced for the next AMV Hell project, who should these judges be?

A few traits / things to consider when suggesting a candidate might be:


1. An interest in AMV Hell


Should the candidate have an encyclopaedic knowledge of AMV Hell and its history?
If they were familiar with all the “official” iterations of AMV Hell from the “numbered” series, minis, challenges and the odd extras- they might be able to notice re-used ideas and references, or know if a submission fits the general AMV Hell “feel”…

2. An understanding of, or experience in AMV editing


Somebody who understands the process which goes into AMV creation could allow them to better appreciate a “good” submission or identify a “bad” one. The candidate might also be able to use their knowledge to help suggest simple improvements for a submission.
Perhaps total ignorance however would be preferred? You don’t have to know how to paint to appreciate the Mona Lisa, right? It might even help you appreciate it better.

3. A sense of humour


Yes, comedy is subjective blah blah blah. The tricky thing here would be to either suggest a candidate with a broad taste in comedy, or perhaps two or more candidates with directly opposing tastes (for greater variety).

4. An eye for quality


Do we want a judge who accepts a submission because it utilises whatever flavour-of-the-month cartoon is currently airing? Or a judge who can identify a well-made AMV that’ll be entertaining even after multiple re-watches?
Should the judge be forgiving of sub-par editing as long as the joke works? Or should they demand nothing short of perfection?

What kind of person would make a good judge for AMV Hell? Should there be a test to gauge their suitability? What kind?


If I were to nominate any currently-active forum-member(s) for the judging panel, even if the positions were only temporary- my vote would go to:

LawRayLiet. Currently serving as a moderator at the time of typing- s/he is very much involved with AMV Hell already and has a good knowledge of the series.
His/her contributions to past AMV Hells have also displayed a good sense of humour and level of skill in AMV creation. I can see him/her acting well as a judge.

milleniummaster18. While lacking the AMV editing experience someone like Zarxrax and Law may have, Mill has nonetheless displayed a certain eye for quality during the recent AMV Minis challenges- an “eye” that I have happened to agree with on many occasions, there’s no denying.
I can imagine Mill easily being able to recognise a “good” AMV submission, but more importantly- be able to correctly identify a “bad” one.

Provide reasons for your nominations.

[Guthix]

you know it would be easyer if you simply typed "make me judge" instead of making this fiasko

[milleniummaster18]

ACTUAL NOMINEES

Haar Contributor for AMV Hell and former troublemaker for reasons I happen to agree with: bloody standards are too lenient. Before the challenge format was announced, a bunch of people were in agreement of putting him up as a judge. I don't see why we should deny him the opportunity. He showed himself competent at video making, he's likely to do just as well with judging.

PEOPLE WHO I MIGHT CONSIDER DEPENDING ON FEEDBACK

SilentChaz He's been one of the guys who has provided the most constructive feedback throughout the run of Minis Challenge. Granted, there have been some places in which I either don't agree with him or believe he might've been too strict, but such is life. If people want him as a judge, he'll have my support as well.

Sir Fluffykins As much as I hate the **** out of Fluffy, it's important for the judges to have a foil in regard to opinions. I think Fluffs is simple-minded enough to represent the "average audience" side of the judges, the side that doesn't look too much for audiovisual consistency, but for whether the thing actually tickles his funny bone. Granted, I might actually regret this soon enough, especially if he shows he can't express himself properly or shows undue favoritism towards the use of fetishistic, objectifying material. My potential nomination of him is a card that shall only be played if there's another nominee who can properly balance him.

(This list is perfunctory and likely to change over time.)

[Shuiia]

I'd nominate Haar, Akyho and Chaz hands down.
Haar and Chaz especially for their skill in crafting clips and their sense of humor, Akyho for his broad flavor of comedy. I really think he can bring a fresh perspective to this whole ordeal.
I'd nominate Loli as well for aforementioned reasons if he was a bit more active.

[Distict5-9]

As Mill mentioned, I thought that Haar taking up the position of judge was practically already almost set in stone. As for my nomination, I really dig the whole "good judge/bad judge" approach, since it could give a bit more variety to challenges than limiting the content to what simply pushes the Elite's buttons... If I had to pick a few names, I'd say Chaz/Mill (although preferably not both of you together. I get the feeling you're a bit too much on the same wavelength to make proper judgements...). Akyho, Fluffs (maaaaaybe...) and Urahara (the latter of whom, although somewhat less experienced than some of the others, I believe has a pretty good approach, and given a little time would make some sound judgements in my opinion...) also come to mind, although I'm a bit less convinced by them...

[glory of llama]

tough call... my vote would go to either haar or millenium.

[PudPuller]

All the judges are dead... I AM THE JUDGE!
http://fgen.quotacle.com/cutvideos/judgedredd2116.mp4

[Zarxrax]

You guys assume there will be another amv hell project. Cute.

[milleniummaster18]

Better be safe than sorry. Wouldn't want to get blindsided now, would we?

Something tells me Minis could use this info as well *wink wink*

[PudPuller]

You guys assume there will be another amv hell project. Cute.

Implying the community cant overthrow you as a coordinator... So kawaii ;)

[ZombieMesh]

We have to get to 9 at least, for completion's sake.
Even if we do it ourselves.



dont leave us


I'd be down for nominating Chaz and Haar.

[BladeGraffiti]

Implying the community cant overthrow you as a coordinator... So kawaii ;)
This

[Guthix]

Implying the community cant overthrow you as a coordinator... So kawaii ;)

nope

[thedarkmessenger]

We have to get to 9 at least, for completion's sake.


why 9, specifically? What exactly makes 9 the "complete" number?

[ZombieMesh]

Then we have done all the numbers.
0-9
Completion.

[pzykosiz]

i think any nomination i could make have been done, but as for the other "Qualifications"

1. An interest in AMV Hell
I don't think an encyclopedic knowledge would be necessary, as long as a general knowledge of AMVHell is there, and they can spot redone/rehashed jokes well enough
The credits file in Chaz's signature is a pretty good reference

2. An understanding of, or experience in AMV editing
Probably not hugely necessary, but ability to find editing mistakes and suggest improvements would be good

3. A sense of humour
Having more than 1 judge would probably help. No-ones gonna find every AMV funny, you can watch through any of the Hell variants and find one that you hate, but others love

4. An eye for quality
As long as the jokes works, the general public don't seem to mind as much if the editing is a bit off

http://youtu.be/a9GtNvO22pU?t=2m46s

Case and point. Obviously very bad editing needs to be fixed. As long as they look like they made a reasonable attempt, they should be okay



there's my contribution to the topic. hopefully it helps somewhat

[urahara1001]

Then we have done all the numbers.
0-9
Completion.

You assume we're operating in base 10. What if we're in hexadecimal? Or Octet for that matter?

[Haar]

Personally, I think The Real Inferno would be perfect for the job. He has plenty of experience and meets the other qualifications as well.

[SuperLoliSentai]

I agree with The Real Inferno, seeing he no longer makes clips. Haar also falls into that category too I guess, though, his taste in clips are highly dependent on sources. Did you use MSI with Jojo's Bizarre Adventure? Yes? Then he will most likely enjoy your clip. I guess this can work with anyone, though. If Chaz becomes a judge in this made up AMV Hell series, and I find the time/ motivation to make a clip, it will probably be about rape. If it is Zarx, then I will throw in flapping tits.

[Akyho]

i think any nomination i could make have been done, but as for the other "Qualifications"

1. An interest in AMV Hell
I don't think an encyclopedic knowledge would be necessary, as long as a general knowledge of AMVHell is there, and they can spot redone/rehashed jokes well enough
The credits file in Chaz's signature is a pretty good reference

2. An understanding of, or experience in AMV editing
Probably not hugely necessary, but ability to find editing mistakes and suggest improvements would be good

3. A sense of humour
Having more than 1 judge would probably help. No-ones gonna find every AMV funny, you can watch through any of the Hell variants and find one that you hate, but others love

4. An eye for quality
As long as the jokes works, the general public don't seem to mind as much if the editing is a bit off

http://youtu.be/a9GtNvO22pU?t=2m46s

Case and point. Obviously very bad editing needs to be fixed. As long as they look like they made a reasonable attempt, they should be okay



there's my contribution to the topic. hopefully it helps somewhat

I like how you just repeated what is basicly said. Except your opinion on point 4....point 4 is the reason we are having this discussion.

The only person I actually have any faith in as a judge and that includes myself is Real Inferno. That doesn't mean he is the end all be all of comedy however he hits as fave clips to people far more than he misses. Somthing I dont think a lot of folks have such a ratio.

My AMV Hell clips get good responses and laughter however they are no ones faves which is a pretty high honour.

[jinzo64]

I'm going to nominate chaz and haar.
They both know their stuff and make some really good amvs, They've also helped to try and become a better amv maker.

[Haar]

Haar also falls into that category too I guess, though, his taste in clips are highly dependent on sources. Did you use MSI with Jojo's Bizarre Adventure? Yes? Then he will most likely enjoy your clip.

Untrue. I'm not that biased and if anything, I'd assume a very specific video like that is some kind of honeypot set up to trap me. Furthermore, as you've seen, with me, it all comes down to quality, rather than the use of sources I like. I'm not going to accept this supposed clip you've made up in your mind if it was made in Windows Movie Maker just because it uses things I like.

[SilentChaz]

TheRealInferno would make a good candidate, come to think of it.
He’s been fairly inactive lately, so I didn’t consider him to start with- but he is an accomplished editor with a good sense of what “works” when it comes to content for AMV Hell.


You guys assume

If
You know me, Zarx- I’m just a dreamer.


If Chaz becomes a judge, I would pander to him by making clips about rape.
A panel of at least three judges with varying tastes would hopefully help stem this kind of exploitation of a judge’s weakness(es)…

[SuperLoliSentai]

I'm not going to accept this supposed clip you've made up in your mind if it was made in Windows Movie Maker just because it uses things I like.

I said "most likely" for a reason.


A panel of at least three judges with varying tastes would hopefully help stem this kind of exploitation of a judge’s weakness(es)…

I bet I can pander to almost any combination of three people on this site.

Also, why has no one nominated Adzman yet? He has pretty good taste in clips and is a great editor when he wants to put in the effort.

[milleniummaster18]

We need people who are actually here, Loli. Adz and Inferno aren't, at least not enough.

A shame, they're good candidates.

[Guthix]

i read this thread and all i see is ego masturbation

[SuperLoliSentai]

There is a chance that it would give them a reason to be more active. Inferno said he was done with making clips for the most part, which eliminates most of the reason to come to this site. However, he has talked about judging in past projects and wanting to judge again. While this happened months ago, I bet he would be willing to do it.

[pzykosiz]

Just to collate nominations, who's been nominated and who nominated them

LawRayLiet - SilentChaz (1)
milleniummaster18 - SilentChaz, Distict5-9, glory of llama (3)
Haar - milleniummaster18, Shuiia, Distict5-9, glory of llama, SuperLoliSentai, Jinzo64 (6)
SilentChaz - milleniummaster18, Shuiia, Distict5-9, SuperLoliSentai, Jinzo64 (5)
Sir Fluffykins - milleniummaster18, Distict5-9 (2)
Akyho - Shuiia, Distict5-9 (2)
SuperLoliSentai - Shuiia (1)
Urahara - Distict5-9 (1)
The Real Inferno - Haar, SuperLoliSentai, SilentChaz (3)
adzman - SuperLoliSentai (1)

[LurkerSubmarine]

Haar for supreme overlord!

[Thetruecrow]

Haar is my choice, but you wouldn't see me saying it outright.


Haar for supreme overlord!

You have deep problems.

[Shuiia]

So if there would be another project that would require judges. Should we hold it up for election? If so, how would we present ourselves?
Basically a sort of forum only minis challenge in order to choose a couple of judges? One round of candidate only judging and one round of electorate judging?

[SilentChaz]

Well, before anything like that happens- we’ll obviously need candidates/volunteers to seriously step forward.

If we do reach this hypothetical situation- a test of some description to determine a candidate’s suitability sounds ideal.
Although- what kind of a test and how to go about implementing it is another matter…

The way I see it- the prospective judges should be given a random set of AMVs for viewing, they individually view all of the entries and award a “pass” or “rejection” for each one.
The community will then see the results of each individual candidate’s judging, and decide who produced the best collection of "passed" AMVs.
Election aided by testing, essentially.

I almost feel tempted to announce a MEP just to give this a dry-run…

[urahara1001]

I believe both the project with a need for judges and the actual stepping up of said judges would need to arise relatively simultaneously. As pointed out earlier in the thread, asking for judges when they don't yet have something to actually judge makes it kind of a moot point, and less likely that people will display their willingness when there aren't any specifics for what they'd be getting involved with. Likewise, trying to organize a project that would need judges and then not have anyone willing to participate in that fashion means the project simply won't go anywhere.

Now, actually doing a side project to get a trial run going so that we have a starting sample to base it off of, that is a useful proposition. Doesn't mean we have to do this for whatever the main project for the community is at any point, but if we ever go to branch it out that way, we've got an example to see what works, what doesn't, and will have several people who could be called on to volunteer for that sort of thing again. If this is a call to action to get such a project started, I'm game.

Also, since I was mentioned earlier as a possible nominee (if only once), and leading from my above thoughts: I would certainly be willing to take part, though I'm not sure I'm the best choice when compared to other options available. As mentioned, I'm still relatively new at editing, which I am keenly aware of, I have before and still do openly admit this. As such, I may not yet have developed as much of an eye for some of the flaws that are harder to catch, and which might keep a clip from being merely good compared to truly great. I do believe I've got a decent sense of humor and can form ideas on what is needed for the overall flow of a clip to function well and actually be funny, so I've probably got something to bring to the table. I'm still coming along on the editing aspects, I haven't capped out yet, so I'll continue to get better there. I don't know if the state I'm at now would be good enough for something more official, but if someone were to start up a trial run project and wanted me to take part as a judge as a try out, I'd be willing.




Haar for supreme overlord!
You have deep problems.

Indeed. Primarily that if those girls are supposed to be a tribute to Haar, they are missing enormous, throbbing penises.

[bonehimer]

+1 for team Haarinator.

[milleniummaster18]

Hehehe, look who the cat brought.