[whyilovetehanime]

I like anime, but there are always those rare animes out there that don't meet the characteristics of a usual anime and may appear interesting for people who dislike animes.
Examples: Gantz, Full metal panic, Initial D, etc, etc...
Name some.

[Backmask]

Obvious answers: Jin-Roh and Planetes

[darkzi]

well for my friends Deathnote was a converter

[Kaiju]

Cowboy Beebop. Full Stop.

Wolf's Rain is also a good one. And I know Black Lagoon converted a few people.

[bloodlover1987]

i would say trigun if your a fan of westerns you might like it

[LOLWTFBBQ]

hmm, BOONDOCKS for one... you might say its technicly not anime, but its a great transitioner.

others would be: the Dead Space anime (what was it called again?) and the superhero animes (wolverine, batman etc.)

[Darthelm]

charger girls, Blue Gender and Trigun, you could go old school and do some gundam, or hell even hamtaro and keep it simple

[darkzi]

hmm, BOONDOCKS for one... you might say its technicly not anime, but its a great transitioner.

others would be: the Dead Space anime (what was it called again?) and the superhero animes (wolverine, batman etc.)

Deadspace Downfall; wouldnt say it's an anime but does have the Manga Entertainment stamp on it

outlaw star

[Diclonius]

GITS:SAC

[Darthelm]

why not throw chobits in there as well

[Bakagami]

Why has no one said one of the greatest animes of all time:
FLCL

[humnut]

G Gundam or Voltron. Inuyasha and Trigun are what I really started with. Dragonball Z, Sailor Moon or Bobobo would also be good converters.

[LawRayLiet]

Samurai Champloo and any movie by Hayao Miyazaki(especially children).

[darkzi]

gurren lagann cause it doesnt really stop for drama..except season 2..only cause that wasnt built with the manga cause the manga stopped at season 1..though the highschool manga is entertaining for it

[Leef]

most people who don't like anime still like studio Ghibli

[XelaisPWN]

Especially the miyazaki stuff, but Law already said that xD

Hmm... I'd think anything with a good dub. In my experience most people who don't already watch anime aren't thrilled with the idea of subtitles. :P

...Yes, there are good dubs out there, ya naysayers >.>

[Fishfreeek]

^ there is no such thing as a good dub

[XelaisPWN]

Can we NOT argue about this in this topic? I mean, srsly >.>

[animemental1]

Dubs and subs are like good & evil. They can't exist without the other.

But srsly, let's get back on topic.

[mattroks101]

^ there is no such thing as a good dub

You speak Japanese? Because if not then how in the world can you tell if the Japanese voice actor is doing at good job? Or do you just like reading everything.

[RBRat3]

Umm Japanese dubs will always be better than English ones and you all know this cause its right there in your face. ready wait for it... ... .. LIP SYNC!!!. You can see this in everything that was japanese produced and dubbed in english. English dubs never match the lips completely. "Well they just move the lips" No not exactly... you can pull that crap on flash animations but if its a broadcasted production with 10-20 artists on deck you voice first then animate dialog lip movements.

Now back on topic... XD

The question is a hard one to answer since everyone has different tastes. Me for instance I like anything with complex conflicts so the gundam series's is a prime example. Its just the conflict alone so Ill watch hentai, love-triangles, coming of age, etc...

I also like perverse comedy... GTO & Green Green and a few others got the cake for that, I would say B gata H kei but its just SLUTTY XD

So with my taste in mind id choose:

School Days
Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien
Gundam Seed
GTO
Gantz
FMA
FMP
The Twelve Kingdoms

Thats all off the top of my head... Theres tons more XD

[JinVicious]

Most people I know who watch anime started because of something they saw on TV.

DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist, Death Note, Naruto, Ect.

Usually they start on basic stuff like those and then find more and more that they like if they become seriously into anime.

[Veran]

most people who don't like anime still like studio Ghibli

This.

Who would we be talking about? People who watch cartoons in general but don't like the Moe style of all anime for the last 20 years or so?

Have them see any Gundam show, Ergo Proxy, Monster or that ****ed up Garter-stocking thing. Deathnote is also good.

For everybody else, it comes down to not actually liking anything that is animated on principle. It's sort of like people who can't watch a movie because "that guy" is in it. I know one who can't bear to watch any film that has Gregory Hines in it. No matter how awesome it may be.

In which case, forget it.

[humnut]

I've shown a couple of people Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt, and keep in mind these are friends of mine who do not like anime, and it got them ROTFLOL. Don't exactly know why. . .

[LOLWTFBBQ]

Panty and Stocking w/ Garterbelt is an anime that was meant to be dubbed and aired on Adult Swim, I think that sums it up.

almost all English Dubs are better IMO, just watching the voice actors is proof enough for me. but thats just my offtopic info

FLCL-- HELL YES! its short, trippy, and makes several American refferences, including going South Park style for short periods in one episode. all-in-all a great introduction to anime.

though some might be taken aback by how much of an acid trip it is.

Afro Samurai is a good one as well, cuz its short, and its full of Black Lingo!

[Veran]

I've shown a couple of people Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt, and keep in mind these are friends of mine who do not like anime, and it got them ROTFLOL. Don't exactly know why. . .

Apart from that stuff being Sex & the City meets Powerpuff girls on ritalin?

[humnut]

Well I consider it Japan's equivalent to Kappa Mikey, as it is obviously Western Style animation. And the humor is basically a parody on America to, if you think about. Especially Panty, she's your average American whore.

[Tal]

Cowboy Bebop and Eden of the East are both pretty accessible with heavy American influences.

[Darthelm]

grave of the fireflies is that I was shown in a history class which I thought was pretty cool.

[bloodlover1987]

speed racer lol........ but dragonball z was what got me into anime

[Veran]

Dragonball Z kept me from inquiring further into the subject. And now I can't convince people to watch Marimite. Even thought it is one of the funnier shows out there.

[XelaisPWN]

Umm Japanese dubs will always be better than English ones and you all know this cause its right there in your face. ready wait for it... ... .. LIP SYNC!!!. You can see this in everything that was japanese produced and dubbed in english. English dubs never match the lips completely. "Well they just move the lips" No not exactly... you can pull that crap on flash animations but if its a broadcasted production with 10-20 artists on deck you voice first then animate dialog lip movements.

...I HATE to bring this up again, sincerely, but I just have to say- you don't need good lip sync to have a good performance. It's whether the actor or actress pulls off their lines well that matters, not whether or not it syncs up right. That's a barrier that will never be crossed, because it would be much too time consuming and costly. Honestly, it's no more of a hassle than reading subtitles is.

The problems arise when the dubbing studio doesn't take the dubbing job seriously, or dumbs it down for the kiddies, or decides it can write better than the original japanese writers. Admittedly, sometimes that needs to be done. Sometimes, for example, jokes just don't work in english. But it's when you start doing that gratuitously that you end up with a bad dub >.>

Aaanndd there's my rant on why 4Kids sucks. :P

[humnut]

Uuguu~ the damn subtitles thing again. . . look everyone is going to have their preference to like what they like. I watch anime as it's coming out in Japan, so I usually don't have a choice. But sometimes, I like certain English Dubs, like One Piece's Funimation dub, but I compare that to the 4Kids dub. Sometimes it's painful to listen to the English voice actors, especially in old anime. But I liked Kanon's English dub and Lucky Star, I didn't really have a preference for that one, I liked both. But everyone's going to need to drop the subject, 'cause people are going to disagree on **** like this. If your going to watch it in English, watch it in English. If you like Japanese, watch it in Japanese. Hell watch it in French with Spanish subtitles and with Swedish Opening and Ending themes for all I care. Well, I'm rambling, as I do when I get no sleep, but the main point I should try and say is that, if your watching it by yourself, who cares. If your all watching these anime in the same room, then you have legitimate reason to fight over it. That is all. . . -_-*

[Backmask]

^ there is no such thing as a good dub

I want you to watch Evangelion: 2.22.

[XelaisPWN]

But... if we all agree to disagree, we can't be manchildren and argue about stupid things on the interwebz...

[humnut]

But... if we all agree to disagree, we can't be manchildren and argue about stupid things on the interwebz...

Oh, I really don't care either way, just felt like ranting about something. So, to offset what I said earlier. . . ENGLISH DUBS SUCK! AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WATCH THEM ARE STUPID LAZY A-HOLES! SUCK IT! Again. . . That is all.

[Darthelm]

Well the English Dub for slayers just makes it funny as hell

[Backmask]

ENGLISH DUBS SUCK! AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WATCH THEM ARE STUPID LAZY A-HOLES! SUCK IT! Again. . . That is all.

I'm sorry if we dub watchers offend you, Failed Abortion McWeeaboo the Landwhale.

[Kaiju]

Oh, I really don't care either way, just felt like ranting about something. So, to offset what I said earlier. . . ENGLISH DUBS SUCK! AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WATCH THEM ARE STUPID LAZY A-HOLES! SUCK IT! Again. . . That is all.

You sir have never seen the english dub of Cowboy Beebop and Baccano!

[humnut]

Yes I have. Subs were better.

[mattroks101]

Really? Then what language do YOU speak? Because last time I checked the English dub of Baccano! was like, 100% superior.

[humnut]

I speak Dutch.

[mattroks101]

Oh, then that explains a lot.

[XelaisPWN]

I generally prefer subs, but I have to agree. Baccano's dub is vastly superior :P

[Darthelm]

the trigun dub was fantastic as well as the Outlaw Star dub. But other then that subs are great, it really all depends on my mood or the anime.

[humnut]

BTW, What the hell is a Baccano? n_n

[XelaisPWN]

I'm not a huge fan of the Trigun dub, TBH. A lot of the voice actors for minor characters just... aren't very good...

Of course, the main characters are great. Gotta give it that. But... eeehh :\

Baccano is an awesome series. If you haven't watched it already, you NEED to now. It's streaming right now on Netflix, if you have access to that, otherwise... (http://bit.ly/ebtDPE)

Unless you're wondering what Baccano means xD

It's the Italian word for a ruckus, IIRC :P

[humnut]

Alright, I'll give in on the Trigun dub, you can't go wrong with the Black Ranger.

[Backmask]

I'm not much of a fan of Baccano, but the dub was good. Not the best, but still good.

[LOLWTFBBQ]

I think we can all agree on this one: Alucard. Japanese he sounds like a pussy compared to what Crispin Freeman can do with his voice.

whats even more funny is when Japanese try to speak English themselves, quite amusing, but harmful to the ears.

another thing is when a character is supposed to have a thick accent, you lose that atribute in subbed, while in dubbed a good voice actor (and now the industry is quite good) garentees to pull you in with the accent

[humnut]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU3Gg696yrM

my case rests

[Backmask]

whats even more funny is when Japanese try to speak English themselves, quite amusing, but harmful to the ears.

Don't mock Norio Wakamoto's Engrish. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zGMMV5PbcY&feature=related)

[XelaisPWN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU3Gg696yrM

my case rests


That's a hentai dub, that doesn't even COUNT xD

[humnut]

hey, this is one of the best dubs in my book, and it's a hentai.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TNFFmFOwnY

[Darthelm]

what the hell is that from?! lol

[humnut]

Stepmother's Sin, I think.

[Darthelm]

no thats not stepmothers sin, ive seen that lol

[humnut]

Oh, than I'm not 100% sure

[LOLWTFBBQ]

Don't mock Norio Wakamoto's Engrish. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zGMMV5PbcY&feature=related)

hehe, "I wish to shank you" is what it sounded like

[Leef]

what the hell is that from?! Lol

temptation

[RBRat3]

...I HATE to bring this up again, sincerely, but I just have to say- you don't need good lip sync to have a good performance. It's whether the actor or actress pulls off their lines well that matters, not whether or not it syncs up right. That's a barrier that will never be crossed, because it would be much too time consuming and costly. Honestly, it's no more of a hassle than reading subtitles is.

The problems arise when the dubbing studio doesn't take the dubbing job seriously, or dumbs it down for the kiddies, or decides it can write better than the original japanese writers. Admittedly, sometimes that needs to be done. Sometimes, for example, jokes just don't work in english. But it's when you start doing that gratuitously that you end up with a bad dub >.>

Aaanndd there's my rant on why 4Kids sucks. :P

Hmm you miss interpreted the last part or what I said on japanese dubbing.


you can pull that crap on flash animations but if its a broadcasted production with 10-20 artists on deck you voice first then animate dialog lip movements.
It will always sync because it is animated after the voice, It may be a draft dub but its done first.

While what you say is true its just not practical to half ass it when real money is involved and really is up to the art directors par of quality.
While were on the subject of par of quality I haven't seen a studio that can beat CoMix Wave's amount of love and work thats put into their animation artwork. Their animation backgrounds are utterly amazing. There so damn good I had to grab some of their animation cell backgrounds.
http://i962.photobucket.com/albums/ae103/RBRat2001/Kumo_no_Muko_032.jpg

Ooo another anime to get someone hooked would be Akira, Has anyone ever hated Akira?

[Darthelm]

temptation

and where the hell can i find it? cause i need to place the audio with video lol

[Antonio Black]

Dubbing...
Record of Agarest War could have used that ****.

[Himither]

Excuse me for ignoring the gloriuos dub vs sub deathmatch and going back the topic! :praise:

Doesn't the anime actually depend on the person?
If I had to give you a list of reasons, I can think of in instant, that make people dislike anime....

Some dislike anime because of ****ty english/german/insertyourlanguage dubs.
Some dislike anime because of the, often high, japanese voices.
Some dislike anime because they hate/dislike japan in general. (culture shock for example).
Some dislike anime because they think they're for kids.
Some dislike anime because they feel comics are superior. (which is ok, but not a good reason to dislike anime)
Some dislike anime because of the drawing style(s). (chibi, wide heads, over the top-expressions for example).
Some dislike anime because they only know about anime that don't fit their taste. (for example pokemon when they acutally need something like Beserk)
Some dislike them for "insert another reason".

Of course that's just some random scraped together list, but I guess it lists the more frequent reasons.

Basically it's all about the preferences and prejudices of that particular person and how high this persons tolerance or more precisely "the willingness to accept new things" is.

One of the mor more important questions, as this thread already showed us, is "Dub or Sub?".
Seriously, we ALL already know there is NO answer. The best thing you can do is to give them a release with dub AND sub or to learn which they prefer IF they actually know about that for theirselves.

High Quality would be a good choice too. 1080p outdoes 480p afterall.

It's also very favourable to acutally OWN the animes so that you can borrow them to that person. Many people dislike the thought of spending money on something they don't like. And not anybody makes friends with illegally downloaded stuff.

Can't think of other general stuff right know. >_<

To increase the chances a bit more consider the preferences.
An easy example...

Pirates? ---> One Piece or Black Lagoon!
One Piece or Black Lagoon? ---> Black Lagoon! (mostly)
Why, because it's much shorter, the storyline is denser, the character development is faster and it's available in 16:9 and HD from first to last episode.

Also never forget that we don't wish or want to be interested in something. The moment we realize we're interested in it, we've already been interested in it for awhile.
If they like pirates don't tell them of Black Lagoon AND One Piece! Keep one of both for yourself so you'be got a good answer to their (hopefully) "More?".

[Veran]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU3Gg696yrM

That was horrid. And probably the funniest thing I've seen this week.

[Veran]

Some very good points:

*Some dislike anime because of ****ty english/german/insertyourlanguage dubs.

Some like them for that very same reason ... providing the dub is bad in just the right way. Yu-Gu-Oh is comedy gold in the dub (which may be the reason for the abridged version - there really is a lot to work with.)

*Some dislike anime because of the, often high, japanese voices.

Real* Yuri anime doesn't have that. Also, Josei tends to not have the chipmunk voices.

*Made *for* lesbians, as opposed to for guys who are turned on by lesbians.

*Some dislike anime because they hate/dislike japan in general. (culture shock for example).

Can't be helped.

*Some dislike anime because they think they're for kids.

"The secret of NIMH" is a must watch for them. Followed by "the plague dogs."

*Some dislike anime because they feel comics are superior. (which is ok, but not a good reason to dislike anime)

O... K... to each their own, I guess.

*Some dislike anime because of the drawing style(s). (chibi, wide heads, over the top-expressions for example).

That's a valid reason. Not wanting to watch freaks for they are creepy. Yet there are actually many styles of this.

*Some dislike anime because they only know about anime that don't fit their taste. (for example pokemon when they acutally need something like Beserk)

I can relate to that. So, ask them their favourite movie. There seems to be an entire series for whatever the answer would be.

*Some dislike them for "insert another reason".

Can't be helped.

[humnut]

Actually, I know of a few people who started watching anime because they liked Avatar: The Last Airbender.

[thedarkmessenger]

Ooo another anime to get someone hooked would be Akira, Has anyone ever hated Akira?

*raises hand*

[Veran]

*raises hand*

Maybe you aren't an anime otaku at heart

:party:

[LOLWTFBBQ]

Himither, what exactly does Black Lagoon have to do with Pirates? if anything I think the anime should be characterized by "the anime dub to have the most cursing",so much so that it even beat the amount of cursing in Hellsing Ultimate.

[XxFabiGBxX]

Death Note!!

[Himither]

Himither, what exactly does Black Lagoon have to do with Pirates? if anything I think the anime should be characterized by "the anime dub to have the most cursing",so much so that it even beat the amount of cursing in Hellsing Ultimate.

Of course we don't see the typical pirates of the golden age of piracy in Black Lagoon and if someone is after that he/she in fact got the wrong anime, but that doesn't change that Black Lagoon is about a pirates, about modern age pirates however.
Acutally if someone who doesn't know One Piece would suddenly turn on his TV to watch an episode chances are high he/she doesn't see the connection to pirates at all, because there're countless episodes without any ships and water in sight.

@Veran

I kinda have the feeling there've been two misunderstandings. T_T

I believe in this simple fact - Some dubs are **** and some aren't. No ultimate answer, no 42.
I watch animes with subs and japanese audio and if I feel like watching them again after some months or years passed I use the english (or german) dubs to make things a bit more interesting.
Afterwards I fart three times, ignore my brains urge to compare the uncomparable and watch the next anime.

Also to make this sure I prefer anime over comics. >___<

[Antonio Black]

Animes for people who hate anime....
Anything that was on Toonami and Adult Swim's original lineups. I swear to god everyone and their mother has watched Dragon Ball Z but says "**** everything else". The Big O, despite being AWESOME...is essentially Batman with mechs so American audiences instantly loved it over Japanese. And Cowboy Bebop is ****ing Cowboy Bebop. And then there's Pokemon.
Everything else was a major turn off for mainstream audiences...like *cough* Digimon...Zoids...

[thedarkmessenger]

Maybe you aren't an anime otaku at heart

:party:

Maybe I just have different tastes from what is "mainstream" :P

[RBRat3]

*raises hand*

I know you did that just to piss me off you prick XD
Akira was mainstream? Its a movie Its kinda hard to make it mainstream.

[Tal]

Even Shinkai's stuff, which I agree is gorgeous, has just passable lip syncing. You'll notice he doesn't actually focus on characters' mouths very much, they usually narrate from offscreen or a distance where you can't see their mouths.

[RBRat3]

Even Shinkai's stuff, which I agree is gorgeous, has just passable lip syncing. You'll notice he doesn't actually focus on characters' mouths very much, they usually narrate from offscreen or a distance where you can't see their mouths.

I never intended to use it as a lip sync example just to show par of quality, I cant say anything about their lip sync work cause Im too busy starring at the artwork XD

[Veran]

I kinda have the feeling there've been two misunderstandings. T_T

And they echo.


I believe in this simple fact - Some dubs are **** and some aren't. No ultimate answer, no 42.

I neither have nor have had any argument against that. I just like to point out that some of the bad stuff is like *because it is bad.*


Afterwards I fart three times, ignore my brains urge to compare the uncomparable and watch the next anime.

You see, I don't do that. Not a lot anyway.


Also to make this sure I prefer anime over comics. >___<

Well, it is less effort...


Maybe I just have different tastes from what is "mainstream" :P

The reference flew way over your head, didn't it?

Allow me to help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-TGaGa3QAc&feature=related

[Darthelm]

dude that movie looks ****ing awesome

[jinzo64]

yes that film does look awsome

but anime for people that don't like anime.
full metal alchemist,naruto and soul eater.

i've got a friend that doesn't realy like anime but he doesn't mind those ones.

[Darthelm]

i forgot one that I'm surprised no one has posted yet and that being .hack//sign or for that matter lupin the 3rd which i love

[Kaiju]

I've seen alot of suggestions for NARUTO.

That is a horrible suggestion, I know people who completely abandoned anime because of Naruto. This isn't a thread about anime that people don't mind, its a thread about animes people who don't like anime will like. And for someone who HATES anime chances are they'll ****ing loathe naruto and any shounen for that matter (Dragonball Z, Bleach, One Peice, SOul Eater, etc.)

But Full Metal Alchemist is pretty good one, being one of the best made anime EVER.
Berserk is also a good one, I have a friend who hates most anime (and Weeaboos in general) but he loves Berserk, sans the ending, AKA Griffith trolls everyone, lol.

[jinzo64]

i know what your saying but my friend has found his way to anime because of naruto.

but animes for people that don't like anime

how about death note.

[SarcotarascusN]

What about Haibane Renmei? I've watched a bit of that, and it doesn't feel like your typical "stock" anime series at all. Interestingly, aside from Elfen Lied, it is the only anime I know of that uses classical music as its theme (instead of pop like most series do, or like heavy metal).

And then....I think that The Girl Who Leapt Through Time is fantastic, and it doesn't reek of "ANIME" or "JAPAN". So maybe that one (if you're looking for movies).

[flamingbambi]

What about Haibane Renmei? I've watched a bit of that, and it doesn't feel like your typical "stock" anime series at all. Interestingly, aside from Elfen Lied, it is the only anime I know of that uses classical music as its theme (instead of pop like most series do, or like heavy metal).

And then....I think that The Girl Who Leapt Through Time is fantastic, and it doesn't reek of "ANIME" or "JAPAN". So maybe that one (if you're looking for movies).

I'd have to agree with you on both parts. Especially TGWLTT.

I'd also suggest a film like Millennium Actress. Some of it is quite Japanese, but it's more old Japan than new Japan and anime cliches. and it's a beautiful film in general. I've made a lot of people watch it and they really liked it xD

[abyssion1337]

Eve no Jikan

[bloodlover1987]

i unno if any one said but i say the old street fighter anime was pretty good for "normal" people

[jinzo64]

has anyone suggested soul eater?

[SarcotarascusN]

Cowboy Bebop: to me, this show feels much more like a live-action science fiction show than an "anime". The animation just allows the makers to depict space vividly and beautifully without needing "special effects" to "enhance" the action. There's not really any fan service and there's not a blatantly obvious "premise" at first (these things seem to piss of anime haters quite a bit). And this isn't essential, but the characters are not at all drawn like your typical anime stock figures (no big, colorful eyes, no neon-colored/spiky hair, and....no ginormous breasts).

Actually, absence of fan service and silly love triangles is a big thing. All of the people I have met who can't stand anime say that those things grate on them a lot. That's why I wouldn't recommend NGE, for example: even though I personally love the show, it reeks of anime stereotypes (mecha? angsty teenagers? did I mention fan service?).

Dating shows (Clannad, Kanon), endless action based "shonen" series (Naruto, DBZ...I can't stand that one, One Piece, etc.), "magical girl" shows (most of these irritate me, though I want to give Cardcaptor Sakura a try)....these probably won't go over well.

[Darthelm]

do you think Kodomo no Jikan would be an acceptable one?

[SarcotarascusN]

do you think Kodomo no Jikan would be an acceptable one?

I haven't seen it, so I can't say. The Jikan clip in AMV Hell 5 always makes me start thinking "LOLITA", though. :}

By the way, has anyone seen an anime called "Coyote Ragtime Show"? A reviewer whom I like has recommended it, and I'm wondering if it's worth seeing.

[flamingbambi]

do you think Kodomo no Jikan would be an acceptable one?

Honestly, I don't really think so. Unless the person is VERY open-minded. I can say for sure that most of my anime-loving friends would see it as a shallow excuse for loli content, so I'm thinking people who don't watch anime would be even more weirded out by it.

Personally, I love the manga series. Once you get past the loli service, it actually gets very emotional. I can't say I've seen the anime though, so I'm not sure whether it's as serious.