[JinVicious]

So I saw similar threads relating to anime not to watch or anime recommendations and thus I came up with this thread idea.

As the topic indications, mention something/someone you despise in an anime that you otherwise really liked.


As you can guess from the 2nd character in my name, one of my favorite animes is Cowboy Bebop. There were however a couple things I REALLY didn't like.



I loved this series a lot, I don't know many who do, but one thing I hated was how enough though the show did have a main plot, the whole Spike, Vicious and Julia thing and all the Crime Syndicate stuff. Very few episodes mentioned or involved any of it. Vicious is only in 5 episodes, Julia is only in 2 and they rarely make any mention of the Crime Syndicate.

The show had a good handful of episodes that had little if anything to do with the on-going plot, like the episode with the Slime (Toys in the Attic) was quite possibly the most pointless episode from any anime I've ever seen. Normally I'd expect to see such a stupid, pointless episode in a longer anime like DBZ with plenty of useless filler episodes, but Bebop didn't even have 30 episodes, why waste one on 20 minutes of watching them try to find a slime on a spaceship?

Even though it's one of my favorite shows, there's a lot of episodes from it I just don't really care for and it's a shame cause it had some really cool characters, except for...


FAYE, yeah I am gonna get raged at for the fanboys on this, but here is my reasoning.

YES, Faye Valentine is hot, I like boobs just as much as the next guy, and it's not that I have a problem with eye candy in anime, it's pretty much expected and almost obligatory now (TITS OR GTFO!).

The reason I don't like Faye is that she was soooooo ****ing useless, the majority of the time she got involved in a bounty she either got herself captured/kidnapped or ****ed up their (Spike and Jet's) plans and just made **** more complicated.

Also, for a girl who so many guys drool over she had quite possibly the worst personality of any anime female I've ever seen. She lies, cheats, steals and pretty much is the most self-centered anime character I've ever seen. If you met a woman like Faye in real life she'd knock you out, steal all your money, your wallet and your car and leave you handcuffed naked to a bed and you'd never see her again, I don't get why so many people have some obsession with her, I can't stand her.

Eye Candy should at least have a likable personality to them, if you think Faye's personality is hot you're probably into the M half of S&M, just saying. I will admit though as much as I hate her, she was a bit more likable the last few episodes of the show, other than that she was nothing more than obligatory anime eye candy.

[Kaiju]

I loved Digimon Tamers, its my favorite digimon season and one of my favorite anime, however my main gripe and continuity flaw is with a certain Ryo Akiyama. An overpowered mary sue that comes out of nowhere.
I know Ryo appeared in the wonderswan games which only were sold in Japan, and thus has a reason for being damn powerful, however those took place in the first two seasons continuity, and I'm pretty sure those two seasons were an anime/card game in the Tamers verse.
So, you have a character from an anime/card game among the group, and he isn't given so much of an explanation of to why he's there, is he the same Ryo Akiyama from the games and season 02 anime/movie (where he makes brief cameos) ? A canon expy?

All of it isn't explained, so we have one serious plot hole here, which is only explained by fan WMG, where the different dimensions and universes of digimon are connect, allowing for Ryo to go to the anime world and fight Millenniumon, three different times. One of the Tamers movies nods this as Omnimon refers to Mephistomon being born from Apocalymon's data. If thats the case, then did why didn't the Dark Masters try conquering this digital world as well? Why didn't the D-Reaper attack the other digital worlds? Did Kurata cause mass genocide in the other digital worlds too?
However this theory does explain why in every season we see a different demon lord:
Adventure: Daemon
Tamers: Beelzemon
Frontier: Lucemon
Savers: Belphemon
Xros Wars: Lilithmon
This would make some sense because the demons have control of their own circles of hell (The sins) and there could be seven different digital worlds which the demon lords corrupt and preside over. Its all guess work caused by one tiny little plot hole which causes many, many, MANY questions...and answers very little.

[Backmask]

1.Beach episodes
2.Main Character sitting in the desk by the window
3.The parents are never ****ing seen, or mentioned
4.Missiles performing pointless aerobatics before striking target
5."He thought he was just a normal high school student, but that all changed one day when..."
6.trip over, land on: boobs, crotch, armpit, thigh, face
7.The strange/antagonistic character from earlier now are exchange students in the same class as the main character
8.The main character's school has 1000+ students, yet the main character and a girl are the only people to eat on the roof.
9.Wreck the city in a giant robot fighting another giant robo/monster, yet no casualties are mentioned and everybody acts like it never happened.
10.Character gets cought in the rain for a few seconds, then he/she gets a cold.
11.The characters wear the same clothes every ****ing day .
12."EHHHHHHHHHHHHH? Camera pans up to the sky, then cue the opening.
13.seemingly perfect character actually has TRAGIC BACKSTORY and it's all just A CHARADE
14.Main character is mortally wounded and shouldn't be able to move, but he pulls a "I have to help my friends/I have help from my friends!"
15.Teenager can pilot a Badass McAwesome mecha without any kind of knowledge
16.Two characters run at each other. *SLASH* They stand with their backs to each other. Good guy falls to his knees in pain and bad guy smiles, then the bad guy then falls over dead.
17.The quiet girl with black hair, who always has a serious look on her face, is a sword master and always walks around with a katana, even in school.
18.Skinny little teenager is able to effortlessly beat up these ****ing HUGE 8 foot delinquents.
19.Military creates robotic soldier. It has a personality chip, it looks like a teenage girl, it is anatomically correct, it cries, it bleeds, it feels pain and gets hungry. It's only robotic feature is a pair of antenna behind the ears.
20.Killing the bad guy is morally wrong, but killing his underlings is a-okay
21.Infamous delinquent who is being asshole to everyone actually has a hidden sweet side
22."Did you remember the promise we made when we were kids?"
23.Main character performs a super special ancient secret move only heard about in legends. Later on, everybody is doin' it.
24.Main character gets stabbed in the stomach. His friend asks him if he is alright.
25.Main character has a horny best friend who is always looking at girls.
26.Guns don't exist. You can use swords, but no shields.
27.Mechas fight with swords and shields
28.Guns actually exist, but it doesn't matter because katanas can effortlessly deflect an entire magazine of bullets being fired at them and katanas can split tanks in half like butter.
29.Antagonist gets punched in the face, then become friends with main character. Nobody cares that he crippled or killed whatever inconsequential character
30.MC makes main love interest jelly. A gloomy aura of death around her while she slowly calls out his name, stressing every single syllable.
31.Guy, who's eyes are normally closed, opens his eyes. **** gets real!
32.Power of ****ing friendship.
33.Mother dies on an "unknown" illness, thus the kid lives by himself at age 13.
34.Strong character powers up. Cue the levitating rocks.
35.Prototype model is better than mass production models.
36.Character get knocked into massive rocks,towers,buildings,etc.Goes straight through them, and gets up only bleeding through mouth.
37."Next time I see you, we'll be enemies"

My anime can't be this generic.

[Bakagami]

The fact that Chrome Shelled Regios doesn't explain as much as it should and doesn't have a second season in which to do so.

[JinVicious]

1.Beach episodes
2.Main Character sitting in the desk by the window
3.The parents are never ****ing seen, or mentioned
4.Missiles performing pointless aerobatics before striking target
5."He thought he was just a normal high school student, but that all changed one day when..."
6.trip over, land on: boobs, crotch, armpit, thigh, face
7.The strange/antagonistic character from earlier now are exchange students in the same class as the main character
8.The main character's school has 1000+ students, yet the main character and a girl are the only people to eat on the roof.
9.Wreck the city in a giant robot fighting another giant robo/monster, yet no casualties are mentioned and everybody acts like it never happened.
10.Character gets cought in the rain for a few seconds, then he/she gets a cold.
11.The characters wear the same clothes every ****ing day .
12."EHHHHHHHHHHHHH? Camera pans up to the sky, then cue the opening.
13.seemingly perfect character actually has TRAGIC BACKSTORY and it's all just A CHARADE
14.Main character is mortally wounded and shouldn't be able to move, but he pulls a "I have to help my friends/I have help from my friends!"
15.Teenager can pilot a Badass McAwesome mecha without any kind of knowledge
16.Two characters run at each other. *SLASH* They stand with their backs to each other. Good guy falls to his knees in pain and bad guy smiles, then the bad guy then falls over dead.
17.The quiet girl with black hair, who always has a serious look on her face, is a sword master and always walks around with a katana, even in school.
18.Skinny little teenager is able to effortlessly beat up these ****ing HUGE 8 foot delinquents.
19.Military creates robotic soldier. It has a personality chip, it looks like a teenage girl, it is anatomically correct, it cries, it bleeds, it feels pain and gets hungry. It's only robotic feature is a pair of antenna behind the ears.
20.Killing the bad guy is morally wrong, but killing his underlings is a-okay
21.Infamous delinquent who is being asshole to everyone actually has a hidden sweet side
22."Did you remember the promise we made when we were kids?"
23.Main character performs a super special ancient secret move only heard about in legends. Later on, everybody is doin' it.
24.Main character gets stabbed in the stomach. His friend asks him if he is alright.
25.Main character has a horny best friend who is always looking at girls.
26.Guns don't exist. You can use swords, but no shields.
27.Mechas fight with swords and shields
28.Guns actually exist, but it doesn't matter because katanas can effortlessly deflect an entire magazine of bullets being fired at them and katanas can split tanks in half like butter.
29.Antagonist gets punched in the face, then become friends with main character. Nobody cares that he crippled or killed whatever inconsequential character
30.MC makes main love interest jelly. A gloomy aura of death around her while she slowly calls out his name, stressing every single syllable.
31.Guy, who's eyes are normally closed, opens his eyes. **** gets real!
32.Power of ****ing friendship.
33.Mother dies on an "unknown" illness, thus the kid lives by himself at age 13.
34.Strong character powers up. Cue the levitating rocks.
35.Prototype model is better than mass production models.
36.Character get knocked into massive rocks,towers,buildings,etc.Goes straight through them, and gets up only bleeding through mouth.
37."Next time I see you, we'll be enemies"

My anime can't be this generic.

Is there an anime that doesn't have anything on this list O.o

[Kaiju]

Is there an anime that doesn't have anything on this list O.o

I don't think so, but I know anime who have reasons for those things. the young mech pilot? Evangelion handles it somewhat believably....Shinji gets his ass kicked more times than he saves the day.

[JinVicious]

The one about the clothing of characters never changing, the only anime I can think of where the characters clothing ever changed would be Azumanga and DBZ.

[bloodlover1987]

i love dbz but its annoying how everyone cries over a death when they know damn well they can wish em back xD

[JinVicious]

i love dbz but its annoying how everyone cries over a death when they know damn well they can wish em back xD

I mentioned something very similar to this in the Animes you shouldn't watch thread. With a handful of exceptions, DBZ sucked at killing people off, specially since we knew they were just gonna come back.

[Kaiju]

i love dbz but its annoying how everyone cries over a death when they know damn well they can wish em back xD

They cry because they have to go find the ****ing dragon balls AGAIN, to wish their asses back. I would be frustrated too if my friend kept dying and I had to go across the globe to find seven balls to wish their sorry ass back...only for them to die again....rinse and repeat.

[gaara129]

yelling makes you stronger

[LOLWTFBBQ]

thats why I read manga now more than I watch anime, better allaround experience

what bugs me the most is how under-staffed schools are. I have yet to see an anime that had more than 4 teachers and 1 nurse in a single thousand-student school

[gaara129]

yea huh lol

[Darthelm]

i have yet to see an anime that isn't a porn where the main character takes the advances of the girls and doesn't ****ing freak at the slightest bit of affection and that is what i hate in every anime=

MC sees cleavage blushes and freaks out
Girl presses breasts against MC and MC blushes and freaks out
Girl shows interest in MC MC just ignores it like there isnt anything there.

[JinVicious]

Depends on the anime I guess. If it's a nerdy, hopeless kid with little self confidence like Keichi, Keitarou or Hideki then it kinda fits the character's personality. If someone like spike freaked out when a chick hit on him though it'd kinda be like...WTF? He beats up and kills like 7 or 8 guys by himself, but he is shy with women?

[Darthelm]

chobits MC
DearS MC
HighSchool of the Dead Main guy Character

not really nerdy still freak out or dont notice when girls are hitting on them

[LOLWTFBBQ]

nosebleeds.... wtf? yeah I guess the altitude could get to someone on a mountain, but why at sea level? I guess it makes sense that if someone were to get embarrased enough it could break the thin membrane of the nose, but first they might tear up, or get a runny nose (in theory)

oh yeah, why is it that nosebleeds occur 98% in males?

[Darthelm]

because in anime nosebleeds correlate with erections

[LOLWTFBBQ]

errections dont exist in like 95% of anime (obviously not including hentai) which is also amusing. I guess the Japanese have learned the art of not pitching a tent when horny

[JinVicious]

oh yeah how did I not think of this when I started the thread:

Lyn from Fist of the North Star

She was utterly useless and was often their Go-to excuse for dragging the other characters into trouble, usually because she did something stupid or got kidnapped.

Children in anime tend to be annoying, but Lyn was pretty bad.

[Darthelm]

their art of hiding it is just switching erections for nosebleeds

[Doomimus]

http://img1.lln.crunchyroll.com/i/spire3/b8e62edfb8d1f6a99c064bf584f10bc61289277570_full.jp g
As long as it's symmetrical, what does it matter?

[JinVicious]

http://img1.lln.crunchyroll.com/i/spire3/b8e62edfb8d1f6a99c064bf584f10bc61289277570_full.jp g
As long as it's symmetrical, what does it matter?

O.o that picture is disturbing.

Plus it's clearly fake, I've NEVER seen an anime use unrealistic amounts of blood. ;)

[Backmask]

There is a reason for the nosebleed. It comes from an old Japanese tale. If you are aroused you will get a nosebleed. Yeah, it's a giant, Japanese, inside joke.

[SarcotarascusN]

For me?

Fuko's random, inexplicable reapparances in Clannad are some of the most annoying things I've ever seen in any TV show. I'm no Fuko hater: she's fine, even cute at times, but once her arc was done, it SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE. Someone HAD to have gone over this to edit it, and really, wouldn't SOMEONE have seen it and thought "oh dear...this is badly edited, awkward, and out of sync with the tone, so let's just cut it".

But apparently, no-one did.

It's the kind of thing that makes me go "wait, are they doing this ag.....no....god damn it....!" Eric Cartman style....

But I do love the show.

[Gleeman]

The one about the clothing of characters never changing, the only anime I can think of where the characters clothing ever changed would be Azumanga and DBZ.

Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, school unis/weekend clothes.
Double points for the Endless Eight.

[BleachBebopAlchemist]

When Orihime became a major character in Bleach.
The Student Council in Code Geass ['Cept for Lelouch and Kallen.]
And how most characters almost never wear new clothes.

[Antonio Black]

*tosses a couple pennies into the guitar case*

****, where to begin?
How about...
Akira.
First off biggest complaint, you can't condense such a HUUUUGE amount of source material into a movie. Its impossible. That's probably why I'm against any sort of remake (live action or otherwise). And both dubs are bad. But I would say the first ENglish dub is the lesser of two evils, mainly because the main characters are Liquid Snake and Rosemary from "Metal Gear Solid" instead of Ichigo and Rukia from "Bleach" AND because both of them are just corny as ****. But Kaneda's voice actor in the first dub made it funny.

Um...what else?
Ah! Puni Puni Poemy.
Did we REALLY need two guys with spiky testicles dangling on rods? And playing with them? Really? Justify that for me, please.

Hm...there's too much I'll just stop...

[Neomalysys]

Eva I have seen every episode and all the movies and I still don't think anybody with a rational mind can fully explain anything in any given Eva universe. Oh and why the **** is Shinji gay in one episode and completely perving over the girls in every other episode hell he even jerks off to Asuka when she;'s laid put cold in the hospital.

[Bakagami]

There is a reason for the nosebleed. It comes from an old Japanese tale. If you are aroused you will get a nosebleed. Yeah, it's a giant, Japanese, inside joke.

I believe the explanation for this was that when the male is aroused the penis becomes erect because of the increase in heart rate and hormones. Thus the heart quickly circulates the blood in order to facilitate the bodily changes. With this increased blood circulation the capillaries in the nose which are weaker tend to burst and thus the bloody nose.
Least I swear I remembered this explained this way before.
Edit: Also something about blood rushing to the cheeks due to embarrassment also plays a factor to the myth. I think.

[bloodlover1987]

one thing that annoys me is when they try to have a serious anime but they throw a **** ton of chibi in it

[Guthix]

0_0 no one on the defending side eh? guess its my job.well for starters if yer bored of chishes you should think that ITS NOT EASY TO THINK OF SOMETHING NEW! and usualy if japs DO think of something new theyr called WIERD.2 dicked futas, lots of gore, characters shouting out atack moves names before the attack [i swear when i watched fate and when arthura shouted "excalibur!" i loled my face off],also you must remember to keep up with reality and not bore the wievers to death the creators leave some loose strings, your watching an anime not a report of what happened in a crime scene/abnormal event.
well thers too much to counter in one go so ill leave this much for now.

[bloodlover1987]

but the point of the thread is to complain guts D8

[SarcotarascusN]

one thing that annoys me is when they try to have a serious anime but they throw a **** ton of chibi in it

This happened for a little while in RahXephon, I remember. About half-way into the series' run, we had a couple of comic episodes, including the obligatory beach episode (although most of it was pretty good). In one of these, we started seeing a lot of chibi art, which was very odd considering that the show had never done this before. The look had entirely vanished by the next episode, which makes me wonder why they bothered.

Oddness indeed....

[Darthelm]

^ they wanted to break up the boring stuff

[jinzo64]

i realy like doki doki school but it just suddenly ends which was a pity.

[waxoff]

I'm not sure if I hate it or it is just weird to me that at the end of Now and Then Here and There everyone seems happy but a ton of people just died and everyone else lives are now messed up.

[jinzo64]

i like bleach but the filler arches and the final fights of the main arch are rubbish.

[Kaiju]

Here's an example for All Anime:
The Fan Dumb.... namely the Hate Dumb.
And the inevitable Guro images of my favorite characters... :(

[jinzo64]

another thing i hate about bleach is the fact that the main character ichigo is to weak.

[BopBopBop]

Plot in my echhi/SoF anime

That is all.

[jinzo64]

the fact azumanga has to end.

[JinVicious]

the fact azumanga has to end.

I think everybody hated that. I dare say they could have made more episodes of that than exist of Dragonball, Dragonball Z and Dragon Ball GT combined and each one would have been awesome.

That's one of the few anime series that doesn't have an episode I hate.

[XxFabiGBxX]

1.Beach episodes
2.Main Character sitting in the desk by the window
3.The parents are never ****ing seen, or mentioned
4.Missiles performing pointless aerobatics before striking target
5."He thought he was just a normal high school student, but that all changed one day when..."
6.trip over, land on: boobs, crotch, armpit, thigh, face
7.The strange/antagonistic character from earlier now are exchange students in the same class as the main character
8.The main character's school has 1000+ students, yet the main character and a girl are the only people to eat on the roof.
9.Wreck the city in a giant robot fighting another giant robo/monster, yet no casualties are mentioned and everybody acts like it never happened.
10.Character gets cought in the rain for a few seconds, then he/she gets a cold.
11.The characters wear the same clothes every ****ing day .
12."EHHHHHHHHHHHHH? Camera pans up to the sky, then cue the opening.
13.seemingly perfect character actually has TRAGIC BACKSTORY and it's all just A CHARADE
14.Main character is mortally wounded and shouldn't be able to move, but he pulls a "I have to help my friends/I have help from my friends!"
15.Teenager can pilot a Badass McAwesome mecha without any kind of knowledge
16.Two characters run at each other. *SLASH* They stand with their backs to each other. Good guy falls to his knees in pain and bad guy smiles, then the bad guy then falls over dead.
17.The quiet girl with black hair, who always has a serious look on her face, is a sword master and always walks around with a katana, even in school.
18.Skinny little teenager is able to effortlessly beat up these ****ing HUGE 8 foot delinquents.
19.Military creates robotic soldier. It has a personality chip, it looks like a teenage girl, it is anatomically correct, it cries, it bleeds, it feels pain and gets hungry. It's only robotic feature is a pair of antenna behind the ears.
20.Killing the bad guy is morally wrong, but killing his underlings is a-okay
21.Infamous delinquent who is being asshole to everyone actually has a hidden sweet side
22."Did you remember the promise we made when we were kids?"
23.Main character performs a super special ancient secret move only heard about in legends. Later on, everybody is doin' it.
24.Main character gets stabbed in the stomach. His friend asks him if he is alright.
25.Main character has a horny best friend who is always looking at girls.
26.Guns don't exist. You can use swords, but no shields.
27.Mechas fight with swords and shields
28.Guns actually exist, but it doesn't matter because katanas can effortlessly deflect an entire magazine of bullets being fired at them and katanas can split tanks in half like butter.
29.Antagonist gets punched in the face, then become friends with main character. Nobody cares that he crippled or killed whatever inconsequential character
30.MC makes main love interest jelly. A gloomy aura of death around her while she slowly calls out his name, stressing every single syllable.
31.Guy, who's eyes are normally closed, opens his eyes. **** gets real!
32.Power of ****ing friendship.
33.Mother dies on an "unknown" illness, thus the kid lives by himself at age 13.
34.Strong character powers up. Cue the levitating rocks.
35.Prototype model is better than mass production models.
36.Character get knocked into massive rocks,towers,buildings,etc.Goes straight through them, and gets up only bleeding through mouth.
37."Next time I see you, we'll be enemies"

My anime can't be this generic.

Basically, you hate anime

[SarcotarascusN]

^Hm, well, I've enjoyed anime that have some of those, but I guess the problem starts when they pile up. On the other hand, I'm sometimes more willing to forgive a show that I think has some creative spark than one that's just banality.

So...what anime DO you like, Backmask?

[Backmask]

^Hm, well, I've enjoyed anime that have some of those, but I guess the problem starts when they pile up. On the other hand, I'm sometimes more willing to forgive a show that I think has some creative spark than one that's just banality.

So...what anime DO you like, Backmask?

First of all, keep in mind that the thread is titled "Things you hate from anime you like". I was just pointing out the things in anime that I dislike.

As for anime that I like, a few would be: Most of what Keiichi Sato directs, Legend of the Galactic Heroes, NGE, Busou Renkin, Detonator Orgun, and Gunbuster.

[Bakagami]

First of all, keep in mind that the thread is titled "Things you hate from anime you like". I was just pointing out the things in anime that I dislike.

As for anime that I like, a few would be: Most of what Shonen Jump does, Bleach, One Piece, Naruto, Pokemon, and Yugioh.

Fix'd http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/7/73/20110128203738!Trollface.png

[LOLWTFBBQ]

backmask, I thought you didn't like Neon Genesis Evangelion, or am I misunderstand "NGE"?

[Antonio Black]

Mmmm...
Ah, DBZ.
Needs more Hercule. **** everyone else.

Fullmetal Alchemist.
It REALLY, REALLY takes away from the tension and drama of a situation when Lust's boobs jiggle and Havoc confesses to...really liking boobs. Mustang liking "tiny miniskirts" is one thing, but seriously, this is a desperate situation.

Pokemon.
Just. ****ing. End. The. Anime. PLEEEASE.

[jinzo64]

deathnote it was ruined by the inclusion of near and melow

[JinVicious]

Yeah anime needs rules about how long it can be dragged on before someone yanks the plug.

[Backmask]

backmask, I thought you didn't like Neon Genesis Evangelion, or am I misunderstand "NGE"?

I've said before that I don't blame someone for hating Neon Genesis Evangelion. That might be where you are getting confused.

[MoreTimeThanSense]

For me?

Fuko's random, inexplicable reapparances in Clannad are some of the most annoying things I've ever seen in any TV show. I'm no Fuko hater: she's fine, even cute at times, but once her arc was done, it SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE. Someone HAD to have gone over this to edit it, and really, wouldn't SOMEONE have seen it and thought "oh dear...this is badly edited, awkward, and out of sync with the tone, so let's just cut it".

But apparently, no-one did.

It's the kind of thing that makes me go "wait, are they doing this ag.....no....god damn it....!" Eric Cartman style....

But I do love the show.

There is actually a reason for that, in the original visual novel those scenes didn't normally have Fuko appear, but after you fulfilled certain requirements (Getting Fuko Master and Fuko Ninja) she would randomly appear when you replayed Tomoyo's route, granted it can still appear out of place, but after that particular arc I was glad of her appearences, Clannad is depressing enough thanks.

As for me I hate this plot:

Girl wants to be/is scouted to be/already is an idol/singer/whatever and her manager tries to get rid of her love interest by telling him that he's hurting her career or that she doesn't want to see him anymore, sometimes threatening him with violence if he doesn't take the hint.

Naturally the bloke buys in to this crap and starts avoiding her without talking to her about it.

I hate this stupid plot so god damn much, the worst thing is that they never even try to put a new spin on it, and no gender swapping the involved charecters doesn't count.

Hell, in at least one series Iv'e seen one of the involved charecters is supposed to be an otaku, how is it they's never seen this plot device before?
Why is it that it never occours to him/her that the manager might be lying?
How in Sithis' name does the manager keep his job after they try pulling this crap?

I can forgive almost any cliche, overused plot or act of stupidity on the part of the charecters save this.

[Kaiju]

There is actually a reason for that, in the original visual novel those scenes didn't normally have Fuko appear, but after you fulfilled certain requirements (Getting Fuko Master and Fuko Ninja) she would randomly appear when you replayed Tomoyo's route, granted it can still appear out of place, but after that particular arc I was glad of her appearences, Clannad is depressing enough thanks.

As for me I hate this plot:

Girl wants to be/is scouted to be/already is an idol/singer/whatever and her manager tries to get rid of her love interest by telling him that he's hurting her career or that she doesn't want to see him anymore, sometimes threatening him with violence if he doesn't take the hint.

Naturally the bloke buys in to this crap and starts avoiding her without talking to her about it.

I hate this stupid plot so god damn much, the worst thing is that they never even try to put a new spin on it, and no gender swapping the involved charecters doesn't count.

Hell, in at least one series Iv'e seen one of the involved charecters is supposed to be an otaku, how is it they's never seen this plot device before?
Why is it that it never occours to him/her that the manager might be lying?
How in Sithis' name does the manager keep his job after they try pulling this crap?

I can forgive almost any cliche, overused plot or act of stupidity on the part of the charecters save this.

I love you for this. I just do. You summed up my unspoken issue with this plot device.

Also, I love you for the Elder Scrolls reference in there.

[MoreTimeThanSense]

I love you for this. I just do. You summed up my unspoken issue with this plot device.

Also, I love you for the Elder Scrolls reference in there.

Why thank you, I do try.

Something I forgot:

Overly violent tsundere, I don't have a problem with tsundere as such, nor do I have any problems with slapstick, but after a point it really seems more like assault/abuse than anything else.

[Kaiju]

Why thank you, I do try.

Something I forgot:

Overly violent tsundere, I don't have a problem with tsundere as such, nor do I have any problems with slapstick, but after a point it really seems more like assault/abuse than anything else.

I like tsunderes, (I find it oh so fun to troll them) but yeah Over Violent ones are way to overdone. I much prefer the cold, snarky tsunderes over the explosive PMS, 24/7 variety.

Speaking of Tsunderes, almost all of them are modelled after Asuka Langley Soryu. She was the progenitor of the gene I know, but she had a Freudian Excuse...every other tsundere? Not so much.

Give me reasons for Tsundere mannerisms ANIME! Your tearing me apart, cliches!

[MoreTimeThanSense]

I like tsunderes, (I find it oh so fun to troll them) but yeah Over Violent ones are way to overdone. I much prefer the cold, snarky tsunderes over the explosive PMS, 24/7 variety.

Speaking of Tsunderes, almost all of them are modelled after Asuka Langley Soryu. She was the progenitor of the gene I know, but she had a Freudian Excuse...every other tsundere? Not so much.

Give me reasons for Tsundere mannerisms ANIME! Your tearing me apart, cliches!

Couldn't agree more, I fcuking love snark.

I'd say that displaying overt signs of agression to disguise embaressment is reason enough, except in the aforementioned hyper violent cases.
Besides some people just have hair trigger tempers, I should know I'm one of them.:sweatdrop:

Also, Room referance?

[Kaiju]

Couldn't agree more, I fcuking love snark.

I'd say that displaying overt signs of agression to disguise embaressment is reason enough, except in the aforementioned hyper violent cases.
Besides some people just have hair trigger tempers, I should know I'm one of them.:sweatdrop:

Also, Room referance?

Snark makes everything better.

I'd say that works too, but most of the cases it is hyper-violent (Sakura Haruno, Kaname Chidori)
Hair trigger tempers work too, but considering it's same type of girl over and over again, makes this seem unlikely. Do all "tsunderes" have such violent tendencies? Most anime would like you to believe this.

And yes, that was a Room reference.

[MoreTimeThanSense]

Snark makes everything better.

I'd say that works too, but most of the cases it is hyper-violent (Sakura Haruno, Kaname Chidori)
Hair trigger tempers work too, but considering it's same type of girl over and over again, makes this seem unlikely. Do all "tsunderes" have such violent tendencies? Most anime would like you to believe this.

And yes, that was a Room reference.

Yes, yes it does.

Though I'd much rather that they'd go for a more subdued type of tsundere, if I let every overued charecter archtype ruin things for me I'd never be able to enjoy anything.

[jinzo64]

i was sad when fuko was removed from being a main character and turned into a random throw in.

[LOLWTFBBQ]

I've said before that I don't blame someone for hating Neon Genesis Evangelion. That might be where you are getting confused.

thats prolly it, though I have never seen you state any possitives of it, aside form being a partial mind****

[Backmask]

thats prolly it, though I have never seen you state any possitives of it, aside form being a partial mind****

I don't post any possitives about any anime, even if I like it. Save for a couple occasions.

[jinzo64]

i hate the fact that k-on isn't avaible in dub on dvd yet

[SarcotarascusN]

There is actually a reason for that, in the original visual novel those scenes didn't normally have Fuko appear, but after you fulfilled certain requirements (Getting Fuko Master and Fuko Ninja) she would randomly appear when you replayed Tomoyo's route, granted it can still appear out of place, but after that particular arc I was glad of her appearences, Clannad is depressing enough thanks.
.

But see, what works for video games doesn't necessarily work for television. I'm not bothered that Clannad is dark, and I think that the other characters have enough funny moments to make up for it. To me, having her come back is illogical and completely unnecessary to the plot. The end to her arc was kind of sweet (if a bit too maudlin), and I felt that it worked pretty well as a character "death", even if it just took her out of the story and didn't outright kill her. Having her randomly come back after this detracts from the feeling of closure.

It all depends on taste, I suppose.

[Antonio Black]

Hm...
Anyone else hate it when Shin does the Elephant Dance?

[MoreTimeThanSense]

But see, what works for video games doesn't necessarily work for television. I'm not bothered that Clannad is dark, and I think that the other characters have enough funny moments to make up for it. To me, having her come back is illogical and completely unnecessary to the plot. The end to her arc was kind of sweet (if a bit too maudlin), and I felt that it worked pretty well as a character "death", even if it just took her out of the story and didn't outright kill her. Having her randomly come back after this detracts from the feeling of closure.

It all depends on taste, I suppose.

I never said it wasn't illogical or unnecessary, I just prefered what they did to the idea that she was just... gone.

But as you said, it's simply a matter of taste.

[Darthelm]

i just hate that hasbro hasnt made MLP:FIM dvds yet.....they need to hurry up so i can give them my money!

[JinVicious]

I liked Trigun a lot, but I hated Knives. He just seemed like a giant prick. Legato was a much more sinister villain.

[Backmask]

I liked Trigun a lot, but I hated Knives. He just seemed like a giant prick. Legato was a much more sinister villain.

I believe that was what the creators intended.

[Sun-Wukong]

Alright, there are a lot of things people complain about in DBZ that I don't mind; most of the filler plots are enjoyable, and they usually find some way for deaths to have meaning (the Dragon Balls can only bring someone back to life once, but another set can bring them back again, which was the entire point of the Namek Saga), and I actually like the Buu saga quite a bit. You know what I don't like though? The padding! I still love it in spite of it, and I even understand why it's there given the shows production being so close to the manga's, but that doesn't make the drawn-out staring contests end any quicker. Also, the cyborgs never really made any sense to me. How exactly did a scientist that's been on Earth from the beginning use regular Earth technology to make regular Earth teenagers not only stronger than Freeza, but stronger than him by far? Cell makes more sense, being composed from the cells of other warriors, but he still has to absorb C17 and C18 to become perfect, which drags him down as well. Personally, I think it would have been cool if he just had to absorb a certain amount of energy before changing into his next form, kind of like a Pokemon for lack of a better comparison; the entire arc would have to be changed drastically, but for the better. It would make it even more Terminator-esque, if say Trunks went back because of Cell and he followed him back because there were no more strong warriors left in that timeline.

[jinzo64]

the whole cyborg/android and cell stories makes no sense.
in the original dbz dr gero was the apparently the leader of the red ribbon and created the cyborgs for revenge after goku destroyed the red ribbon army in dragonball.
but the good doctor neve appears and is never mentioned in dragonball.
plot mistake.

[SarcotarascusN]

the whole cyborg/android and cell stories makes no sense.
in the original dbz dr gero was the apparently the leader of the red ribbon and created the cyborgs for revenge after goku destroyed the red ribbon army in dragonball.
but the good doctor neve appears and is never mentioned in dragonball.
plot mistake.

Actually, if I remember correctly, he wasn't the leader. He was a scientist working for them...a high ranking one indeed, but not in charge of the organization.

I think the idea was that he went into hiding with his research and technologies and somehow managed to avoid being brought to justice (another plot hole?). Of course, it's easier to hide in robot form, as robots are more effective hibernators than humans, so he turned himself into an android while he bided his time.

[JinVicious]

DBZ was loaded with plot holes or "Why didn't they just"s, left a lot of loop holes in the story for things they could have done and stuff like that.

[Backmask]

DBZ was loaded with plot holes or "Why didn't they just"s, left a lot of loop holes in the story for things they could have done and stuff like that.

Keep in mind that the Dragon Ball series was set up to end at the end of every saga, but, alas, popularity took control.

[JinVicious]

Happens to a lot of things. Anime, TV Shows, Movies, Video Games. The creator wants to end it but the people making the decisions draw it out until it doesn't seem like it's making anymore money.

[bloodlover1987]

still better than GT XD

[JinVicious]

still better than GT XD

lol I was just talking about the clip from the TFS Bardock abridged where he looks into the future and see's GT and he's like...."and I now welcome the sweet embrace of death."

I am guessing GT was epic fail.

[LOLWTFBBQ]

Happens to a lot of things. Anime, TV Shows, Movies, Video Games. The creator wants to end it but the people making the decisions draw it out until it doesn't seem like it's making anymore money.

much like Square Enix and the Final Fantasy games

[bloodlover1987]

xD

[JinVicious]

much like Square Enix and the Final Fantasy games

I haven't played many of them (1, 2, 7 and Tactics) the only ones I liked out of the were 1, 2 and Tactics. Didn't care for 7 and at and the Gameplay in the others looks more similar to 7 than the older ones so I haven't bothered with them.

To me it seems like the just remake the same cliche characters over and over, granted a lot of games do that, but when you only got like 7-9 characters to use in a game, be a little more creative with your character design.

[bloodlover1987]

well more nit picking about dragonbalz...

i hated how they buffed up gohan so much but then just let him get so weak later on ...then in the buu saga he became a badass again but that lasted all 2-3 eps

[Guthix]

well more nit picking about dragonbalz...

i hated how they buffed up gohan so much but then just let him get so weak later on ...then in the buu saga he became a badass again but that lasted all 2-3 eps

dbz started something like a traditional japs storytale anime, then with aliens it bame batle themed. then when androids came it became overdraged and finaly on gt i think the creator tried to push everything from the stuff he already created [including small goku].

[jinzo64]

like i said gt is just a train wreck of made draonball and dbz good

[SarcotarascusN]

^It's interesting, but Dragonball always felt more culturally Japanese and Asian then the later series did. By the time we reached GT, all the new character designs felt quite westernized (and all the people on the sidelines look like typical American bozos by that point, with brown hair and baseball caps). It dropped all of the Eastern landscapes and architecture for the most part and even showed the series' main characters wearing jeans, khakis, and leather jackets. I think it was a deliberate attempt to hold the appeal of American kids.

Can't blame you for trying, I guess...

[jinzo64]

why break somthing that isn't broke.
the series didn't need gt.
and i hate the fact goku just leaves with uub at the end of dbz leaving his family andfriends behind to train with the reincarnation of buu.

[Bakagami]

Nina Einstein from Code Geass.
The show didn't need her creepy creeptitude. She should be edited out.

[Antonio Black]

Nina Einstein from Code Geass.
The show didn't need her creepy creeptitude. She should be edited out.

Even if you edited her out, her creepiness would still hover around like a bad smell, until R2 happens and then no one quite notices the smell anymore...
And then bad stuff happened.

[jinzo64]

lucky star.
there's not enough character interaction between the main characters and the side characters like kagami and tsukasa's family and kagami's other friends.

[Guthix]

FLCL its like a headsmash between mind**** and nonsence,ive seen more stability in sajonara zetsuboy sensei and they changed art style like 10 times.

[Lionforce1337]

First off. ALL of DBZ. >_<

Now that that's out of the way.

Gundam (ANY SERIES) - MC: I don't want to pilot this thing! *kills random soldier* Killing is wrong! *Kills another couple of people* Let's try not to kill them *Tries to, but fail as mechs always explode* You can't make me fight! *inevitable participates in the epic ending battle where craploads of people die*

Its also a bit nitpicky, but I love Evangelion as much as the next guy, but the fact that Gainax likes to through in references to it that aren't even subtle in almost every anime they do. It was funny at first, but now its just....meh.

Burst Angel's ending. It really didn't wrap up ANYTHING! 0_0

When animes carry on waaaaay longer than they should. e.g. Naruto, Bleach, DBZ etc... They should stop trying to add on stories. ESPECIALLY Bleach which was fun until they introduced a new character constantly and the story turned into nothing.

[SarcotarascusN]

Panty shots in an anime that friggin' never calls for panty shots.

Spice and Wolf (which I'm otherwise rather fond of) being my best example at the present...

[Sir Fluffykins]

Panty Shots, Opponents/Allies explaining a move/attack used in painful detail -made worse when there's no explanation of how the characters recognises the 'secret' move.

In general, romances that don't go anywhere. Not saying shows need them to, but many times you have a couple, or a love triangle and they 'all-but-say' they love each other, or are hot for each other, or go on a date, or kiss, or whatever, then the show ends and either the romance side line falls away completely because it doesn't matter or it's left open to keep all fans of either happy.

Worse case. Tales of Eternia, based on the game of the same name, Guy accidently falls on girl, accidently sees girl naked, accidently says a billion things that makes girl blush, in anime and game, then anime ends open like it doesn't matter and game ends with the other two party members declaring their love for each other. Ending line "I can't wait to get home and eat your omlettes" (that sounded so dirty to me :P). Though they were cousins he all but accidently had sex with her XD

Exception to the rule Digimon Season 3, here the guy likes a girl who goes through absolute hell, then at the end they're still not boyfriend and girlfriend, but I accept it due to the theme of everything going back to the way it was before everything happened -and the girl going near insane.

[SarcotarascusN]

Considering the fact that "eggs" can be a slang term for male genitalia, "turning your eggs into omelettes" could easily turn into a slang term for....an act...of sexual sadism. I just CANNOT wait for hentai companies to get on that. Oh wait...actually, I can. :P

[jinzo64]

i realy like strawberry marshmellow but it's to short and the ova is hard to come by.

[abyssion1337]

I like Magic Kaito, but it only ever got a one episode OVA that was pretty much just the first chapter of the manga (and an amazing Case Closed crossover episode)

[JinVicious]

well more nit picking about dragonbalz...

i hated how they buffed up gohan so much but then just let him get so weak later on ...then in the buu saga he became a badass again but that lasted all 2-3 eps

OMFG I hated that so damn much. I Despised Gohan any time other than the brief period where he had the Elder Kai Pimp-mode. He was lame before that, and lame after. They never explained it either. He was THE strongest in the show at that point, even stronger than friggin SSJ3 Gotenks and then afterwards he was a nobody as useless as everybody else who wasn't Goku or Vegeta.

TBH, Gohan should have killed Super Buu right there and it should have ended the show, would have been a good ending, Gohan finally grown up and saves the world and is now THE strongest. That or when Vegeta blew up buu should have been the end of Buu, but not the series.

They never explained why he went back to being a useless gimp after being absorbed, I HATED the Buu saga mainly for that BS right there.

[Ruby150]

Probably my biggest problem would be the long, drawn out fight sequences (DBZ being the most obvious example)

[JinVicious]

That was something I liked about Fist of the North Star, the fights didn't take 40 episodes.

PLENTY of things I hated about it though.

[Ruby150]

That was something I liked about Fist of the North Star, the fights didn't take 40 episodes.

PLENTY of things I hated about it though.

Well, I never saw that series... I just remember Dragon Ball having incredibly long, drawn out fight sequences

[SarcotarascusN]

Your memory is quite accurate. :P

[JinVicious]

Something I hate from Samurai Champloo:

They had so much rap/hip hop stuff involved in it, granted the characters who had traits of the hip hop style were usually made to look like idiots, it just kinda annoyed me.

[abyssion1337]

Samurai Champloo would have been something completely different without that, it was a huge part of its central aesthetic.

[JinVicious]

I know, it still annoys me to a degree, but at the same time it was used to sort of make fun of various characters in the show. So it kinda served a purpose and had it's uses.

[Doomimus]

Eye Candy should at least have a likable personality to them, if you think Faye's personality is hot you're probably into the M half of S&M, just saying. I will admit though as much as I hate her, she was a bit more likable the last few episodes of the show, other than that she was nothing more than obligatory anime eye candy.

Or at least a tolerable personality. I'm all for eye-candy and general fan-service myself, provided it's worth the price I have to pay for it. Witnessing a character's rampant exhibitionism and blatant disregard for their fellow characters' well-being over the course of a four-episode story arc is NOT one of them. *glares at Peorth from AMG*

[JinVicious]

Or at least a tolerable personality. I'm all for eye-candy and general fan-service myself, provided it's worth the price I have to pay for it. Witnessing a character's rampant exhibitionism and blatant disregard for their fellow characters' well-being over the course of a four-episode story arc is NOT one of them. *glares at Peorth from AMG*

Yeah I would have settled at "Tolerable" in her case, but there wasn't a single redeeming quality to be found. (Faye that is)

I'm sure if I thought hard enough I could come up with more examples of useless eye candy.

While on the subject of "uselessness" that's something I hate in any anime, a character who is always completely useless.

[thedarkmessenger]

While on the subject of "uselessness" that's something I hate in any anime, a character who is always completely useless.

*cough*AshKetchum*cough*TeamRocket*cough*

[JinVicious]

*cough*AshKetchum*cough*TeamRocket*cough*

lol Ash is quite possibly the most useless anime protagonist I've ever seen. Completely helpless without his Pokemon and would be totally lost without his friends.

Team Rocket are just the typical comic relief goons.

[thedarkmessenger]

What's worse, Ash keeps going on and on about wanting to be a pokemon master and catching them all and whatnot, but he doesn't even TRY to catch most wild pokemon he meets. Not to mention he couldn't catch a legendary if it crawled into his pokeball.

[Doomimus]

I'm sure if I thought hard enough I could come up with more examples of useless eye candy.


I think this calls for its own thread.

[bloodlover1987]

ash pissed me off he wanted to be a great trainer but every time he went to a new place he gave up all his trained Pokemon D8<

[abyssion1337]

yay I get to use this pic again
http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/halolz-dot-com-pokemon-redvsash.jpg

[SarcotarascusN]

But see, if Ash got rid of Team Rocket, they'd have no more stories to tell (since they lack the creativity to invent anything)....so it makes sense on the creators' part. It doesn't make it good, however.

[Backmask]

But see, if Ash got rid of Team Rocket, they'd have no more stories to tell (since they lack the creativity to invent anything)....so it makes sense on the creators' part. It doesn't make it good, however.

Team Galactic, Team Magma, Team Aqua, and Team Plasma. If Ash got rid of Team Rocket, the writers could just use one of the other organizations, or they could make a new organization in place of Rocket. **** ain't rocket science.

[JinVicious]

I think this calls for its own thread.

lol I think it does, I loled when I saw you come up with that.


yay I get to use this pic again
http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/halolz-dot-com-pokemon-redvsash.jpg

This was freaking Priceless, thanks for sharing Abyss.

[SarcotarascusN]

I'm not getting the reference...

[keinushi]

fanservice!!!!!!

[JinVicious]

I'm not getting the reference...

IF you mean Red/Ash. Red is the character from Red/Blue/Yellow Pokemon games more or less.

[abyssion1337]

As well as several versions of the manga

[Guthix]

basicaly hes sayin game characters kick ashes ass cuz he spent many seasons trying to become a master

[jinzo64]

pokemon would be a better anime if they got rid of team rocket all the stupid innconvenient stops ash makes.
win his gym battles first time round.
catch more wild pokemon and legandarys.

[bloodlover1987]

no you need team rocket >>

[jinzo64]

no you don't they do same thing every episode.
they're lame from lames vile

[XxFabiGBxX]

Okay... Some things I hate:

The main character is mortally wounded... But the power of FRIENDSHIP and TEARS make him unleash his full power.

A girl falls into the water, the main character realises that she could become ill, so he makes her get naked

The girl that supposedly hates the main character, falls in love with him.

The main character always gets the attention of all the girls, and his best friend is hated by all of them.

A girl character starts to cry because she thinks she's pathetic, but all her friends says something emotional and that they love her, and the only thing that she can answer is "Minna, Arigato" (thank you)

[SarcotarascusN]

As well as several versions of the manga

Ah. I'm only vaguely familiar with that whole franchise, to be honest. I don't play video games and never got into the cards, so I just know it from the handful of anime episodes I've seen.

And I can get very bored with a show when characters survive wounds that would, logically, kill them. Unless they happen to be X-Men mutants or the children of Jesus, which they usually are not. I can get especially bored when this happens multiple times.

Wolf's Rain made this mistake, as did Samurai Champloo, but Wolf's Rain learned to stop pulling that move eventually, which is one reason why I ended up enjoying it a bit more.

[jinzo64]

i tried samurai champloo but got board with it.
i wish that bleach fade to black and the hell verses films would come out on dvd

[bloodlover1987]

Bleach: Hell Chapter will be released on DVD in Japan on August 24th [4]
Bleach: Fade to Black will be released on DVD and Blu-Ray in North America on November 15th thats the only thing i see about it

[jinzo64]

oh i've waited this long i can wait until november for fade to black and another year for the hell chapter.

[JinVicious]

I generally like Ranma 1/2, it's funny albeit repetitive, but some people in the show are just clueless. Like Kuno and his sister who still haven't caught on that Ranma and "The Pig-tailed girl" are the same person. Or Akanae who hasn't figured out that "Pi-chan" is Ryoga.

I mean, how clueless can someone be?

[Backmask]

I generally like Ranma 1/2, it's funny albeit repetitive, but some people in the show are just clueless. Like Kuno and his sister who still haven't caught on that Ranma and "The Pig-tailed girl" are the same person. Or Akanae who hasn't figured out that "Pi-chan" is Ryoga.

I mean, how clueless can someone be?

Being ****ing retarded in anime and manga is normal. Hell, a lot of the time the main character is the most dense. I could list more dense main characters than main characters who aren't borderline lacking a fourth grade education.

[JinVicious]

Being ****ing retarded in anime and manga is normal. Hell, a lot of the time the main character is the most dense. I could list more dense main characters than main characters who aren't borderline lacking a fourth grade education.

Just cause it's common doesn't make it any less annoying. It's one thing when it's with a character who is generally considered to be stupid (like Goku) but most the characters from Ranma aren't supposed to be dumb.

[SarcotarascusN]

Hmm....well, Tenchi (Tenchi Muyo!) is pretty darn clueless (at least he's not a pervert....). Same goes for Yomiko from R.O.D, but she's a different kind of clueless, and she's a better fighter at least.

[jinzo64]

i guess naruto and black star would fall in to the dense catergory.

[bloodlover1987]

ahh hate black star xD

[jinzo64]

i don't hate black star he adds a nice spot of comic releif to the franchise.

[JinVicious]

I liked Azumanga, but I didn't care much for Tomo.

>_> I expect to get raged at for this.

[SarcotarascusN]

It's understandable. She's abrasive and in your face, which is the point...but I could get sick of her pretty quickly. To be honest, the same went for Chiyo; I found her a bit too helpless and cutesy for my tastes, and while I'll admit that was the point, I wasn't entirely sold.

No matter...Sakaki was, and will always be, my favorite Azumanga girl.

[Distict5-9]

^ Blasphemy! Osaka was probably one of the most memorable girls from the entire series!

Anyway, back to the topic...

The fact that, in any harem anime, while it takes you around the first 20 minutes of the series to figure out who the character is going to pick in the end, it takes the idiotic, wimpy and extremely hateful main character at least 24 episodes and 2 OVA's to get it over with... (Sometimes he is also too helpless to even pick one of the hundreds of girls at his disposal by the end of the series, a thing that makes me want to grab the monitor and yell "If you can't decide, take them all, assh*le!")

[JinVicious]

It's understandable. She's abrasive and in your face, which is the point...but I could get sick of her pretty quickly. To be honest, the same went for Chiyo; I found her a bit too helpless and cutesy for my tastes, and while I'll admit that was the point, I wasn't entirely sold.

No matter...Sakaki was, and will always be, my favorite Azumanga girl.

Agree with that. Sakaki was my favorite character too.

I never find hyperactive characters like Tomo funny, I have seen that kind of behavior on a daily basis for most of my life. Most people don't see stuff like that every day so it's more funny to them. Kinda like how some people love Robin Williams and/or Jim Carry and others don't.

The behavior of characters like Tomo is something I do on a daily basis just cause of my ADHD so it's not really unusual to me.

[MoreTimeThanSense]

^ Blasphemy! Osaka was probably one of the most memorable girls from the entire series!

Anyway, back to the topic...

The fact that, in any harem anime, while it takes you around the first 20 minutes of the series to figure out who the character is going to pick in the end, it takes the idiotic, wimpy and extremely hateful main character at least 24 episodes and 2 OVA's to get it over with... (Sometimes he is also too helpless to even pick one of the hundreds of girls at his disposal by the end of the series, a thing that makes me want to grab the monitor and yell "If you can't decide, take them all, assh*le!")

I couldn't agree more with you here, though the better harem anime at least try to make it hard to tell.
That or do what Clannad did by not showing the others having a chance/any desire for the protaganist.

[abyssion1337]

I just hate when characters who speak with an Osakan accent speak with a southern one in dubs, it works some of the time but it falls flat more often than not. Fun fact, Wolfwood from Trigun was given an Osakan accent because Yasuhiro Naito when writing the character thought of him having a thick southern accent, so kinda a reverse of this rule, even funnier when you consider the guys who did the dub had the same feeling I do so they didn't give him a southern accent.

[Doomimus]

Maybe those in charge of the English dubs should consider giving Osakan characters Chicagoan accents, seeing as Osaka and Chicago are sister cities.

Picture, if you will, Wolfwood saying "Were on a mishin ferm Gahd." (Yes, sans apostrophe.)

[JinVicious]

Maybe those in charge of the English dubs should consider giving Osakan characters Chicagoan accents, seeing as Osaka and Chicago are sister cities.

Picture, if you will, Wolfwood saying "Were on a mishin ferm Gahd." (Yes, sans apostrophe.)

Somehow I think that'd make people hate dubs even more than they already do. (Most people anyways)

[SarcotarascusN]

I couldn't agree more with you here, though the better harem anime at least try to make it hard to tell.
That or do what Clannad did by not showing the others having a chance/any desire for the protaganist.

Well, actually Clannad DID hint (strongly) that Tomoyo and Kyou liked Okazaki, and Key went far enough to make "special" OVAs for each of them that showed what would have happened had Nagisa not been in the picture. I've seen Tomoyo's OVA....loved it. Love that girl, loved the set-up, loved the romance.

But in the main show, it didn't really get into competitive bitchiness, possibly because it's hard to want to fight Nagisa, and because she had the most time to develop with him. In Tenchi, Ayeka and Ryoko have just about as much chance of "winning" Tenchi as failing to get him; here, we had a clear "front-runner".

[AKALink]

Naruto (part 1)
The one character that is a main character but does less than a secondary character and just whines and makes things emotionally awkward.
Sakura

/therad

[abyssion1337]

ha ha, wait till Shippuden where that doesn't change at all,

[AKALink]

ha ha, wait till Shippuden where that doesn't change at all,

I would count Shippuden, but I don't like that series.

[Kaiju]

I can sum up Shippuden here:
Part 1: Characters return, even the former whiny bitch becomes a badass taking out one of the guys who took out Gaara. The Villains are Superb and Badass. All around a superb kick off.
Part 2: The Villains really test their metal, killing off various beloved characters, most of them the mentor archetype. Side Characters take the spotlight, and kick superb amounts of ass.
Every other part afterwards: Badass Villains become cliche, Sakura becomes a whiny bitch again, Plot Twist after plot twist happens, SauceGay becomes the "Main Character" power up occurs after power up, SAMURAI, The once awesome and threatening villains drop one by one, Naruto becomes the messiah, MOAR PLOT TWISTS more obvious and ridiculous then M.Night Shamalyan, they bring in more cliche villains from the dead, Stereotypical black people who rap, Jumps the Shark way too many times, and quickly becomes easily a ****fest of crap proportions....

There is a reason I say the series ended after Pain killed "_____". It starts off good and hooked me, showing real character development in alot of the good guys, then let down all my expectations. I used to like Naruto Shippuden, I really did... now it became a **** fest of unparallelled proportions.

Bleach at least ACKNOWLEDGES how ridiculous it's getting... because Tite Kubo is a ****ing troll.

As for one thing less and less ANYTHING is doing nowadays due to cries of sexism... is my choice of fanservice :( Remember kiddies, if a girl is tied up, it's sexist, if it's a guy tied up, ITS HUMOR!!!

[bloodlover1987]

loved chobits but Hideki gets annoying sometimes

[JinVicious]

loved chobits but Hideki gets annoying sometimes

I kinda felt the same. He just seemed like he was completely helpless/useless as a main character.

Even say Keitarou from Love Hina had something to contribute that was of use once in a while, despite being a fairly average human being.

Hideki just seemed like he was there to give the show a typical male protagonist, but the whole show mostly revolved around Chii.

[abyssion1337]

Hey I'm just happy the manga addressed a huge problem I've been having with the series since before SPIOLER(kinda I guess) Sausuke killed Itachi(one of my favorite characters /SPOILER

it's just something that's been up in the air for so long, and just about everyone I know actually forgot about it.

[JinVicious]

Any anime that does like 3 or 4 Flashback episodes in a row.

[bloodlover1987]

god i hate flash back episodes


.... except for excel saga had a good flashback episodes xD

[JinVicious]

Fist of the North Star was terrible with them, they'd do them in whole ****ing arcs of like 4-5 at once. Drove me nuts.

Sometimes they'd have actual flashbacks of stuff that happened in the past so it was at least new information about the story or that kinda stuff, but they were mostly just the creators being lazy. - _ -

[jinzo64]

the death of L in deathnote i think it came to early i think it should have been L to stop kira.

[Lionforce1337]

Any anime that does like 3 or 4 Flashback episodes in a row.

Tenjou Tenge was almost 80% Flashback if I recall properly.

[SarcotarascusN]

Wolf's Rain does a particularly bad job with its recap episodes: 4 in a row, and not an ounce of new material in any of them. I skipped them all after about 5 minutes.

Serial Experiments Lain manages to pull a recap episode off fairly well (though I don't think it needed it, in truth). It mixes images from past episodes with new dialogue and new musings, completely abandoning straightforward narration. What's more, it only spends about 2/3 of the episode on this: we actually get some new material at the end. I'll admit that it's an awkward transition, but still, I was happy to see the show do yet another thing differently.

[abyssion1337]

Wolf's Rain has 4 flashback episodes right in the middle, that give exactly no new information. Luckily they're all on the same disc, you can skip that disk.

Also lol at posting this pretty much exactly when Sarc did.

[Kaiju]

Almost the entire Berserk anime was a flashback, and it was all good except the ****ing cliffhanger ending.

[abyssion1337]

That's because the Berserk anime didn't have an ending it just stopped, get yourself caught up on the manga, which may never finish if certain writers keep taking breaks for months at a time to play MMO's

I'd also like to point out that Berserk doesn't count as having flashback episodes, yes the series is technically a flashback but that's a framing device and completely different from what we're talking about.

[bloodlover1987]

the death of L in deathnote i think it came to early i think it should have been L to stop kira.

yeah hate how near got the credit when L had the cased solved for him.

but i would much rather had light win over all :P

[abyssion1337]

Light couldn't win, he was a villain protagonist and a complete monster. Actually the ending was one of the best parts of the series, and worth sitting through most of the worthless crap that was Death Note's second half.

[jinzo64]

The first time I watched deathnote i wanted light to win.
Because i agreed with what he was doing.
After watching it again I realised that light was doing a lot of unnesserary killing.

[JinVicious]

Tenjou Tenge was almost 80% Flashback if I recall properly.

I don't mean story Flash backs, those are at least useful and important to the plot.

I mean an entire episode of "PREVIOUSLY! ON...." You know when they show you a bunch of re-caped **** you've already seen just because they didn't feel like taking the time to make a real episode.

[Kaiju]

That's because the Berserk anime didn't have an ending it just stopped, get yourself caught up on the manga, which may never finish if certain writers keep taking breaks for months at a time to play MMO's

I'd also like to point out that Berserk doesn't count as having flashback episodes, yes the series is technically a flashback but that's a framing device and completely different from what we're talking about.

I am up to date with the Manga actually, and even if the anime just 'ended' it ended on perhaps they must ****ed up part possible. Even if it updates irregularly, the art and story make up for it. Quality is better than quantity, Most Weekly manga suck ass.

[jinzo64]

i think they gave ullquiora to much emotion.

[bloodlover1987]

i hated him all together

[Guthix]

lol i watched whole deathnote if 24 hours if my fried brain serves me right.the death of l was overwhelmingly cheerfull for light but when the new blokes came out i had an idea that this might never end unless light looses and he did... he lost to a god dam recolored chibi version of L... **** that might aswell made M shoot a bullet in light forehead then that god dam ending!
on the flashbacks topic you can give the bigest dick award to.... naruto,i swear they made a clishe of theyr own made flashback of a flashback...i remember yahtze once said the creators were hoping no one played a first version of a game in one of the comments, im getting a feeling unless your a totaly retarded fan or didnt watch the first reason it would be bearable.
watchin toaru majutsu no index, it not that bad [exept i need to go to doujin moe every 5 episodes cuz of fan service] but they talk too bloody much between fights.just love the accselerator kudos to his psychotic laugh.

[JinVicious]

I thought of this earlier.

I love Cowboy Bebop, one of my favorites, but I can't stand the Intro.

[Antonio Black]

I thought of this earlier.

I love Cowboy Bebop, one of my favorites, but I can't stand the Intro.

Oh, you mean TANK!
Well I see where you're coming from. The anime's been around sine 1998 and that song's been WAAAAY too overplayed. I mean, **** how many times have they "reunited" The Seatbelts strictly just to play that song? I like jazz, and I really, really like Cowboy Bebop's soundtrack, but TANK! has been around the block one too many times. "Real Folk Blues" never seemed to tire since they did two versions of it. Although the subtitles went by a little too fast sometimes...or were still in Japanese for whatever reason.

As far as Cowboy Bebop though, one thing I always thought rather pointless was dedicating an episode to Ed. Spike episodes were part of the overall arc, Jet episodes were pretty dramatic, and Faye episodes were just...weird. Ed is too much of a goofball to get anything done. Even with Ein tagging along most of what Ed did was just "wander and do random ****" like in Mushroom Samba. I like Ed...but overall its hard to do anything with the groups token computer hacker/goof.
Ed's dad was a ****in beast though. Kicked Spike's ass.

[abyssion1337]

I am up to date with the Manga actually, and even if the anime just 'ended' it ended on perhaps they must ****ed up part possible. Even if it updates irregularly, the art and story make up for it. Quality is better than quantity, Most Weekly manga suck ass.

I'm not saying it should be weekly, I'm saying there should be some consistency, a chapter every month or so would be pretty good but I'm not kidding, he takes 6 or months off at a time to play MMO's

Now that you've mentioned it I do love cowboy bebop, but there there was one entire episode that I completely hated that had just about no redeeming qualities: Boogie Woogie Feng Shui

[LOLWTFBBQ]

there are quite a few good weekly manga, the trick is if they are scanlated regularly or not.

[jinzo64]

the final fight in soul eater ended poorly.
punch to the face equals win.
kishin is hit by blackstars most powerful attack
then the kisihin cutter.
then kids most powerful move.

[bloodlover1987]

yeah but it was kinda funny


..love elfen lied but didn't like the main dudes cousin she was rather obsessive

[jinzo64]

yeah thats true maybe shes addicted to insest.

[Backmask]

Yeah, that’s true. Maybe she’s addicted to incest.

Fixed that for you and Blood.

[jinzo64]

who the hell do you think you are?
abyssion?

[Kaiju]

yeah but it was kinda funny


..love elfen lied but didn't like the main dudes cousin she was rather obsessive

So was Lucy, Mariko, and every other female that wasn't nana.

And about the "incest"... remember she was only Kouta's cousin by marriage, they weren't blood related. This sort of relationship is still common in japan, with their different culture and such. (falling in love with a cousin by marriage, etc.)

[abyssion1337]

So was Lucy, Mariko, and every other female that wasn't nana.

And about the "incest"... remember she was only Kouta's cousin by marriage, they weren't blood related. This sort of relationship is still common in japan, with their different culture and such. (falling in love with a cousin by marriage, etc.)

Though in fairness Japan still exports more creepy incest porn than anyone else, and not just cousins by marriage.

Also I'd like to thank Backmask for helping to clean up the poor standards we have here for grammar and spelling, seriously you guys were making me think that the world was genuinely getting less intelligent.

[bloodlover1987]

So was Lucy, Mariko, and every other female that wasn't nana.

And about the "incest"... remember she was only Kouta's cousin by marriage, they weren't blood related. This sort of relationship is still common in japan, with their different culture and such. (falling in love with a cousin by marriage, etc.)

didn't know that.. i thought it was blood related

[jinzo64]

Sorry but I'm derailing the topic.
Fine i'm thick my spelling and gramma suck.
Sorry that it bothers some of you so much.
You do realise that i can't help being thick.
I just am.
So just stop fixing my posts.
God damn it hurts.
Being remind by people i dpon't know that i can't spell or do proper gramma.
Please just leave it alone.
I'm sorry i don't know which of these(there,their,they're) I should be using in my Sentances.
Oh just for reference this is how i feel when i'm remind my spelling and gramma suck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGKRXhmFQlw

p.s still dyslexic.
But i guess that shouldn't realy make a difference.

[Bakagami]

Sorry but I'm derailing the topic.
Beware my thickness!
God damn it hurts.
Sorry fine gents for not using correct sentence structure all quite proper but my thickness is too much to be wary of.
All these (their they're and there) cower in fear of my thickness.
Do not question me again.
The almighty Jinzy.

Post script- Still dyslexic.
But I digress.

Fix'd.

[jinzo64]

Thanks For that.
your sarcasm isn't amusing as it knocked my plea back a page.

[Bakagami]

You're welcome.
No disrespect intended :P

[jinzo64]

your image didn't work.
i'm totaly being trolled.
god i'm such an idiot

[JinVicious]

I hate one when character suddenly beats another character who previously kicked their ass over and over without any explanation as to HOW they beat them.

Saiyuki was bad at doing this.

[MoreTimeThanSense]

didn't know that.. i thought it was blood related

Even if they were, it's not considered to be especially weird outside of the US, in fact it's quite common in a number of asian cultures.

[jinzo64]

I hate one when character suddenly beats another character who previously kicked their ass over and over without any explanation as to HOW they beat them.

Saiyuki was bad at doing this.

dragonball z and bleach are good at this aswell.

[bloodlover1987]

yeah....... xD but hey that's just being the good guys

[jinzo64]

i guess the good guys do need a way to win.
ressenating with zangetsu to beat zaraki
half holo mask to beat byakuya
bankai and holo mask to beat grimmjow
dying then transforms in to full holo form to beat ullquiorra
then final getsuga tenshuo to beat aizen

[bloodlover1987]

my main problem with ichigo was that he never really won a fight by himself other then grimmjow

[jinzo64]

he managed to beat ikakku.

[bloodlover1987]

well yeah but also he didnt use his bankai so he never fought at full strength

[jinzo64]

2 things
he didn't need to
and
most importantly he didn't have it.

oh i forgot he manged to tie with renji

[bloodlover1987]

i was talking about ikakku

[jinzo64]

oh i see.
thats because he doesn't like using it and it wouldn't have been fair on ichigo and besides he likes a good fight like zaraki.

[Distict5-9]

Fillers. Naruto and many other anime series would have been even fairly acceptable if it hadn't been for them...
The main problem is that half of the fillers follow the same loop...

-"Quick, [insert hero's name here]! Although you have far more pressing and important matters at hand, you must go to [idiotic name] village and defeat [surprisingly weak and wimpy enemy]!"
-"Oh noez! The hero has been captured!"
-"He's about to use the forbidden jutsu/technique/weapon! HE'S ABOUT TO USE THE FORBIDDEN JUTSU/TECHNIQUE/WEAPON!"
-"With the generic move I've been using throughout the entire series, I shall put an end to you and your reign of mild terror!"
-"Congratulations; you saved the world. Again."
-*Strangled noises of yet another anime viewer hanging himself after having seen episodes such as this one for the thirty-seventh time*
- *Repeat until plot actually decides to move on...*

Also, the other half of the fillers we are treated to tend to go around these lines...

- Using my recently acquired ultimate move, I shall now make... RAMEN!
or
-BUBBLES! >=D

http://weareawesomeness.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/picture-44.png


*Facepalm...*

[jinzo64]

^that's so true for naruto at least it always seems to slot in to the story and happens between arcs unlike bleach.
finally we made it to wako mundo next episode wait how the hell did i get back to the world of the living.
or better yet the time has come for the big epic fight between the squad captains and the top three espada and ichigo is going to fight ulquiorra for the second time.
zanpaktou filler arc.
just thrown in.
not to mention the random episodes that pop in here and there and everywhere.
bleach seasons 1-3 filler free everything afterwards littered to death with it.

[abyssion1337]

I'd like to add that a lot of a Naruto filer can't even make the villains threatening, it really is some weak guy they should just be able to kick the crap out of and yet for some reason nameless bad guy #12 spends 2-4 episodes winning.

[LOLWTFBBQ]

Mangaka should just flat-out ban fillers from be made for the animes they inspire, its like adding scripture to the Koran or the Bible, you just shouldn't go there!

although the Bount Arc for Bleach was almost good, mostly because I was too ignorant to know that it was just a filler arc

[bloodlover1987]

hell i didn't know either till after the fact
best bleach filler was the one episode where ikkaku helped that one kid out with the kendo team

[abyssion1337]

LoL I actually hated the bount arc, it wasn't quite as bad as the illegal weapons arc (or whatever the **** it was called, the only good thing to come out of it was Kenpachi at a tea party with little girls) but yeah Iakkaku teaching kendo was awesome.

[bloodlover1987]

http://images.tvrage.com/screencaps/15/2825/575249.jpg

the bount arc kinda felt like a rehash, they used alot of stuff from the ryoka invasion story .. i haven't watched any of the others besides one episode of the new captain story when it was on adult swim

[LOLWTFBBQ]

best part of the Bount Arc was when hIchigo appeared for a short time

[abyssion1337]

I liked the zanpaktou arc, until it went on way too long.

[jinzo64]

the zanpaktou was good but it was just dropped in.
Also your right it was just to long a bit like the current filler arc.

[bloodlover1987]

i might try and watch the zanpaktou arc one of these days ...

[jinzo64]

it's an interesting arc.
sadly some off the fights are a bit weak or just don't happen.
like zaraki was going to fight tengen muyo in it's bankai form but it was only hinted at you never get to see it.

[abyssion1337]

There was one episode of the Zanpuktou arc I really liked: the Hinatarou episode.

[jinzo64]

i didn't like that one i fought it was rather boring.

[abyssion1337]

It was funny, also I wanted to see how they could justify Hisagomaru having anything against him.

[bloodlover1987]

now back to the hate xD.....



um lets see ...loved the first YU-GI-OH series but hated the heart of the cards bullcrap lol

[JinVicious]

I hate when any character does something that is psychologically implausible or "Out of character" if you would.

I am not one of those OMG That'd NEVER happen in real life kinda guys, but depending on the nature of the anime some of the things people do are BS from a psychological point of view. Granted you can pretty much throw "reasonable" psychology out the window when dealing with a funny anime like Golden boy or Excel Saga, but in a more serious anime like say Bebop or Champloo I expect the characters to maintain a level of psychological plausibility.

Example (Yes I am gonna hate on DBZ more)

When Goku spared Freiza because "You're no longer a challenge to me" also Goku has to show everyone Mercy.

Let's see what Freiza did prior to that....killed Goku's best friend, killed pretty much everyone on Namek, or his minions did, tried to kill Gohan, did he tell Goku he killed his father too? I forget that bit, and killed how many planets full of people?

Freiza's kill count easily numbers in the billions, why the **** would ANYONE show him mercy?

Also psychologically speaking pretty much ANY parent in existence would kill ANYONE who tried to kill their son, no exceptions it's just paternal instinct.

Also he also let Vegeta go in season 1...even though Vegeta/Nappa killed how many of his closest friends? And again tried to kill his son.

Goku's Good Guy Mercy **** got taken a little too far, there's **** you just don't forgive.


I hate when any show makes someone do something that is that drastically implausible from a psychological standpoint, just ****s up the character's for me.

[abyssion1337]

Your argument is heavily flawed, it's like hating Batman for never killing the Joker. Actually a lot of really good writers have tackled that particular issue in many different comics, I particularly like Under the Hood where Batman doesn't even have a good response when Jason Todd asks why he hasn't killed the Joker. It's a great speech too.

[JinVicious]

Your argument is heavily flawed, it's like hating Batman for never killing the Joker. Actually a lot of really good writers have tackled that particular issue in many different comics, I particularly like Under the Hood where Batman doesn't even have a good response when Jason Todd asks why he hasn't killed the Joker. It's a great speech too.

Joker didn't try to kill Batman's son. Though he did kill someone Bruce Wayne had the hots for, at least in Dark Knight.

In the older batman movie he DID kill the Joker, but I think Begins and Dark Knight are more faithful to the comic.


Anyway you're taking that out of context, I am not saying showing mercy is bull****. No I am saying there comes a point that characters do something that psychologically doesn't make sense. I just used DBZ as an example because pretty much everyone has seen it or knows enough about it to know what I am talking about.

[bloodlover1987]

liked soul eater but black star was annoying as hell

[JinVicious]

I hate when an anime introduces a new character only to have them killed off a handful of episodes later.

[abyssion1337]

Actually the Joker does try to kill Batman's son, seriously read some comics. Also the Dark Knight was very much not close to the comics and that's why it was so good, it was trying to be its own story.

[JinVicious]

Again arguing over details within the post and not the general point I was making.

[abyssion1337]

That's because your entire point was in the details. I think using Goku as an example for that thing you hate is a bad idea, because Goku is always consistent, I agree acting our of character is really annoying so I guess if anything I'm saying your example is flawed... Oh wait I said exactly that.

[JinVicious]

I have nothing useful to say so I am just going to continue to try and argue since I've got nothing better to do with my time.

That's okay man I forgive you.

[abyssion1337]

Well at least now I can see how you deal with people who disagree with you, I like it that people disagree it opens discussions and broadens your horizons, and your world grows a little bigger. It's fine if you don't ant to continue the discussion I can respect that but don't be a dick about it. Here I was hoping we could talk about Goku as a character and look at his actions.

[JinVicious]

Wah wah you made fun of me, I cry now WAAAAHH I troll you now since I must get last word in pointless debate that I started over a minor detail of the original post.

Also I am very sorry for being so rude.

Apology accepted good sir, moving on.

[Backmask]

Apology accepted good sir, moving on.

How was he trolling?
Here is something pathetic: People abusing the term troll.

[JinVicious]

How was he trolling?
Here is something pathetic: People abusing the term troll.

Wrong thread man.

Mostly I just didn't feel like debating a minor detail of the original post with him so I just stopped giving him direct responses. Otherwise we'd go from debating to the original post to debating something completely off topic because he'd keep picking at some minor detail in my post to make it look like he's winning the "debate" he started based on pretty much nothing.

[XxFabiGBxX]

Shinji Ikari is gay

[JinVicious]

On that note, Koska (however you spell her name) from Berserk, she was a relentless bitch.