[SS_nyuu911_SS]

i have wanted to ask for a while hehe
8)

[abyssion1337]

egg from a scientific standpoint but from a philisophical standpoint the chicken, I like both views so I'm not going to vote.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

egg from a scientific standpoint but from a philisophical standpoint the chicken, I like both views so I'm not going to vote.

o come on haha ;D

[abyssion1337]

can I vote for both?

[Filleraol]

I just flipped a coin, and the answer is: The Egg!

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

can I vote for both?

haha i only allowed one man...
just flip a coin like the other guy did!
hes a genius!

[abyssion1337]

I decided to play chess against myself instead, I was way out of my league so it looks to be teh egg. also I'm now 50 posts away from the next highest poster.

[Filleraol]

Actually, I flipped a CD. I didn't have a coin ::)

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

I decided to play chess against myself instead, I was way out of my league so it looks to be teh egg.

lmfao
THATS how a man does it!
BOO-RAWWWW!

[Issitheus]

According to my friend, neither. the very first chicken hatched from its egg and grew to maturity, then traveled back in time and laid its own egg.

From an evolutionary point of view, probably the egg.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

According to my friend, neither. the very first chicken hatched from its egg and grew to maturity, then traveled back in time and laid its own egg.

From an evolutionary point of view, probably the egg.


anyone ever thought of the creationist point of view?

[Filleraol]

It's questions like this that makes me think.
I don't like thinking....too much.

Like: does the universe have an end, and if so, how would it look like? and so on

[Issitheus]

According to my friend, neither. the very first chicken hatched from its egg and grew to maturity, then traveled back in time and laid its own egg.

From an evolutionary point of view, probably the egg.


anyone ever thought of the creationist point of view?

GOD SAID "LET THERE BE CHICKENS AND EGGS!
and so there was.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

im not tryin to get all..whatever on ur asses...
heres how i see it..
the world will end...
people will either go to heaven or hell...
the earth will pretty much whatever....burn..
and then im not sure if heaven will be on earth after the world is over...
or iif there is some other place where heaven exists..
my head hurts now!
THINKING!!!!

HAHA issittheus......i love ur comment

[S.ifr]

im not tryin to get all..whatever on ur asses...
heres how i see it..
the world will end...
people will either go to heaven or hell...
the earth will pretty much whatever....burn..
and then im not sure if heaven will be on earth after the world is over...
or iif there is some other place where heaven exists..
my head hurts now!
THINKING!!!!

HAHA issittheus......i love ur comment

Then let us burn!

and at that, what came first, a mudkip or it's egg ?

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

neither ;D
cuz pokemon suck
.....
ok mudkip was kinda cute

[S.ifr]

Mudkipz > You

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

hahaha
hey...
do mudkips have genitalia?

[S.ifr]

That sir, I do not know.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

i would think so...
cuz they knock each other up in the game/
do they not?

[Issitheus]

hahaha
hey...
do mudkips have genitalia?

Dude, rule 34. yes, they do.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

;D
srry i should have check the rule book on pokemon's sex life...
i wont forget again

[S.ifr]

It's not..

:-\

[abyssion1337]

yeah they do, I've seen some very interesting mudkip pics, I wouldn't recomend it.

[Ken-Chan]

yer i know wat u mean there are sum wierd poke pics out there and they do have genitals BIG ONES

Anyway back to the chicken thing everyone is forgeting one important piece the rooster see the egg cant be made without chicken and rooster and with the egg did it become a chicken or rooster

AHHHH this forum is painful

[Issitheus]

yer i know wat u mean there are sum wierd poke pics out there and they do have genitals BIG ONES

Anyway back to the chicken thing everyone is forgeting one important piece the rooster see the egg cant be made without chicken and rooster and with the egg did it become a chicken or rooster

AHHHH this forum is painful

Not only could the fist chicken travel through time, it could also reproduce asexually.

[Ken-Chan]

yer i know wat u mean there are sum wierd poke pics out there and they do have genitals BIG ONES

Anyway back to the chicken thing everyone is forgeting one important piece the rooster see the egg cant be made without chicken and rooster and with the egg did it become a chicken or rooster

AHHHH this forum is painful

Not only could the fist chicken travel through time, it could also reproduce asexually.

OMG it's a super chicken hey wait wat did the chicken do after it layed it's egg because that egg would lay itself once it hatches so what does it do after time travel

[abyssion1337]

I mastered asexual reprodution, it's more fun, you and all your clones get to take over the universe

[1337uvis]

It's questions like this that makes me think.
I don't like thinking....too much.

Like: does the universe have an end, and if so, how would it look like? and so on


No, it doesn't it is shaped like a huge ball so there is no edge, but at some point you would "restart" from the point you began. There, i hope i saved you some thinking and consideration by applying the correct answer. Ask if you want an explanation "why"

[Adjacent Badger]

I'd say it's flat in three dimensions and endless in the same way as the map in Settlers I.

[1337uvis]

You, my good Sir, are wrong. Things which are flat aren't endless, they might be very very absolutely 1*1052 dachuja long but never nedless, while the ball-shape is endless. It is so. Discussion is futile :-X

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

It's questions like this that makes me think.
I don't like thinking....too much.

Like: does the universe have an end, and if so, how would it look like? and so on


No, it doesn't it is shaped like a huge ball so there is no edge, but at some point you would "restart" from the point you began. There, i hope i saved you some thinking and consideration by applying the correct answer. Ask if you want an explanation "why"


lmao holy **** man
haha
were not talking about that kind of end...
we mean like...end of the world....
apocolypse...
end times...
is there any other words for it ?
*sniff* aaaaaaaa

[S.ifr]

I mastered asexual reprodution, it's more fun, you and all your clones get to take over the universe

Teach me por favor.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

haha that would be awkward walking in on a guy trying to teach another person asexual reproduction! haha ;D

[acutekat]

this thread was spam from the get go

[abyssion1337]

this thread was spam from the get go

NO, this is spam:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff115/abyssion1337/spam.jpg

[Issitheus]

this thread was spam from the get go

NO, this is spam:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff115/abyssion1337/spam.jpg

thats exactly what i said!

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

friggen rights thats spam!
;D

[Adjacent Badger]

haha that would be awkward walking in on a guy trying to teach another person asexual reproduction! haha ;D


Sorry to disappoint you. Asexual reproduction is only possible between women and only with the assistance of a scientist.

[abyssion1337]

that's not true, I learned mitosis.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

i cant believe this started with a chicken and egg question..
which isnt sexual at all..
well maybe a little..

[Filleraol]

well what can possibly be sexier than an egg and a chicken? :D

[Useful]

Well, we had to go somewhere with it...

speaking of which:

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/rmc/lowres/rmcn41l.jpg

[animefreak32046]

Oh come on, everybody knows that it was the rooster that came first, otherwise how would the egg in question get fertilized?

[Jazean]

sadly the egg came first, but it was laid by a different creature and the genetics had mutated a bit. horray evolution.!

[DicyDax]

Following evolution, I'd say the chicken came first...

[S.ifr]

this thread was spam from the get go

NO, this is spam:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff115/abyssion1337/spam.jpg

thats exactly what i said!

... memories x)

[Infinity]

the chicken or the egg, i say................................the human ;D

[animefreak32046]

It dosn't really matter, 'cause eventualy Colonel Sanders came, and y'all know the rest.

[smeegs]

i say both but if i can only choose one i say chicken

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

evolution and the big bang dont make any sense what so ever,
if monkeys turned into humans,
uhm how come the monkeys of today dont?

[KazuoMM]

the egg from an evolutionary stand point
eventually the ancestor of a chicken lays an egg which contains a chicken

from a different view the chickens and eggs did not exist
till man gave them a name

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

well they did exist.....just didnt have names yet

[acutekat]

or did they?

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

or did they?


MY MINDDDDDDD!

[KazuoMM]

Yes, the only problem with these questions is that
there is no way in the time will live now
will we find out these answers becuase there is not enough proof

and skeptisism shall always keep it that way

[Adjacent Badger]

According to the old Greek philosopher Plato, both the chicken and the egg have existed and will exist for all eternity in the ideal world, while they have only existed in the material world for as long, as humens have recognised their existance.
That doesn't solve the puzzle of which came first, though.

[abyssion1337]

According to the old Greek philosopher Plato, both the chicken and the egg have existed and will exist for all eternity in the ideal world, while they have only existed in the material world for as long, as humens have recognised their existance.
That doesn't solve the puzzle of which came first, though.

That sounds very 1984

[1337uvis]

evolution and the big bang dont make any sense what so ever,
if monkeys turned into humans,
uhm how come the monkeys of today dont?

FAIL! Humans did not evolve from monkeys (by God, the Earth really MUST be powered by Darwin turning around in his grave), but rather humans and modern monkeys share the same ancestor, only the smarter ones stayed at the treees and became monkeys of today ;D So basically no humans will never evolve from the modern monkeys, because when the common ancestor split, the two species are walking a different evolutionary path, which leads to different ways. Sorry for unclearances, but i really tal kbetter lithuanian than english when drunk.

[Adjacent Badger]

Sorry for unclearances, but i really tal kbetter lithuanian than english when drunk.

Except for the length of the sentence, I think it's clear enough.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

evolution and the big bang dont make any sense what so ever,
if monkeys turned into humans,
uhm how come the monkeys of today dont?

FAIL! Humans did not evolve from monkeys (by God, the Earth really MUST be powered by Darwin turning around in his grave), but rather humans and modern monkeys share the same ancestor, only the smarter ones stayed at the treees and became monkeys of today ;D So basically no humans will never evolve from the modern monkeys, because when the common ancestor split, the two species are walking a different evolutionary path, which leads to different ways. Sorry for unclearances, but i really tal kbetter lithuanian than english when drunk.


thats one of the stupidest things ive ever heard.....

[acutekat]

i've heard way worse

[abyssion1337]

me too, I know someone who makes me want to saw off my legs cause it seems more fun.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

me too, I know someone who makes me want to saw off my legs cause it seems more fun.


LMAO!

[abyssion1337]

me too, I know someone who makes me want to saw off my legs cause it seems more fun.


LMAO!

it would be funnier if i wasn't joking.

[Useful]

evolution and the big bang dont make any sense what so ever,
if monkeys turned into humans,
uhm how come the monkeys of today dont?

FAIL! Humans did not evolve from monkeys (by God, the Earth really MUST be powered by Darwin turning around in his grave), but rather humans and modern monkeys share the same ancestor, only the smarter ones stayed at the treees and became monkeys of today ;D So basically no humans will never evolve from the modern monkeys, because when the common ancestor split, the two species are walking a different evolutionary path, which leads to different ways. Sorry for unclearances, but i really tal kbetter lithuanian than english when drunk.


thats one of the stupidest things ive ever heard.....

That doesn't keep him from being right. Though badly worded, he basically said it right. About 5 million years ago, there was some ecological impetus for our common ancestors to favor different diets, hunting tactics, behavior, or what have you. Over those 5 million years, those small differences have amplified, ultimately creating separate populations that can no longer create viable offspring. In other words, they had become separate species: humans and chimpanzees.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

evolution and the big bang dont make any sense what so ever,
if monkeys turned into humans,
uhm how come the monkeys of today dont?

FAIL! Humans did not evolve from monkeys (by God, the Earth really MUST be powered by Darwin turning around in his grave), but rather humans and modern monkeys share the same ancestor, only the smarter ones stayed at the treees and became monkeys of today ;D So basically no humans will never evolve from the modern monkeys, because when the common ancestor split, the two species are walking a different evolutionary path, which leads to different ways. Sorry for unclearances, but i really tal kbetter lithuanian than english when drunk.


thats one of the stupidest things ive ever heard.....

That doesn't keep him from being right. Though badly worded, he basically said it right. About 5 million years ago, there was some ecological impetus for our common ancestors to favor different diets, hunting tactics, behavior, or what have you. Over those 5 million years, those small differences have amplified, ultimately creating separate populations that can no longer create viable offspring. In other words, they had become separate species: humans and chimpanzees.


luckily everyone has their own beliefs...
becuz lots of people dont know what actually happened...
becuz none of us were there five milllion years ago...lol

[abyssion1337]

evolution and the big bang dont make any sense what so ever,
if monkeys turned into humans,
uhm how come the monkeys of today dont?

FAIL! Humans did not evolve from monkeys (by God, the Earth really MUST be powered by Darwin turning around in his grave), but rather humans and modern monkeys share the same ancestor, only the smarter ones stayed at the treees and became monkeys of today ;D So basically no humans will never evolve from the modern monkeys, because when the common ancestor split, the two species are walking a different evolutionary path, which leads to different ways. Sorry for unclearances, but i really tal kbetter lithuanian than english when drunk.


thats one of the stupidest things ive ever heard.....

That doesn't keep him from being right. Though badly worded, he basically said it right. About 5 million years ago, there was some ecological impetus for our common ancestors to favor different diets, hunting tactics, behavior, or what have you. Over those 5 million years, those small differences have amplified, ultimately creating separate populations that can no longer create viable offspring. In other words, they had become separate species: humans and chimpanzees.


luckily everyone has their own beliefs...
becuz lots of people dont know what actually happened...
becuz none of us were there five milllion years ago...lol

I'll fire up the TARDIS and we can go five million years into the past to find out.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

save me a seat on that ride bro.....sounds funn

[Chii]

evolution and the big bang dont make any sense what so ever,
if monkeys turned into humans,
uhm how come the monkeys of today dont?

FAIL! Humans did not evolve from monkeys (by God, the Earth really MUST be powered by Darwin turning around in his grave), but rather humans and modern monkeys share the same ancestor, only the smarter ones stayed at the treees and became monkeys of today ;D So basically no humans will never evolve from the modern monkeys, because when the common ancestor split, the two species are walking a different evolutionary path, which leads to different ways. Sorry for unclearances, but i really tal kbetter lithuanian than english when drunk.


thats one of the stupidest things ive ever heard.....

That doesn't keep him from being right. Though badly worded, he basically said it right. About 5 million years ago, there was some ecological impetus for our common ancestors to favor different diets, hunting tactics, behavior, or what have you. Over those 5 million years, those small differences have amplified, ultimately creating separate populations that can no longer create viable offspring. In other words, they had become separate species: humans and chimpanzees.


oh what are you talking about the world has never been around for MILLION of years its been around 4000-6000 years who ever believes in evolution is a idiot man came from the ground god created us lol

[Useful]

Uh... is that jk? The "lol" makes me think yes, but I'm not sure... it seemed pretty adamant and you put "lol" on everything.

[Chii]

Uh... is that jk? The "lol" makes me think yes, but I'm not sure... it seemed pretty adamant and you put "lol" on everything.


the lol is me laughing at people who believe in evolution ****

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

hes not kidding.
im with him on this one...
except maybe not the "everyone who believes in evolution is a ****ing idiot" lmao..
everyone has there own belief..
but i agree with the rest he said

[Filleraol]

Am I the only one who doesn't care about how we were created?

[Useful]

Alright, then. Can we get some evidence behind this theory?

I don't have a beef with you, Nyuu. You're a conscientious Christian, and a pretty smart one at that and I respect that, you don't have to read this. But Chii just pissed me off.

I'll get some support for my theory:

This link is relevant to current evolutionary theory. If you can't understand it, go home:http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/7364/title/Hybrid-Driven_Evolution_Genomes_show_complexity_of_human-chimp_split

And if you don't believe in genetic variation, PLEASE go home.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

thx man.
yah i dont think people who believe in evolution are "****ing idiots"
as someone once said. (chii cough cough).
i mean i think evolution is wrong.
the same way u think creation never happened. (at least i think u think that ???)
but yah its kinda cool having discussions about this stuff...
it stretches the mind. :)

[Useful]

Well, actually, I'm not so sure about creation never happening. I mean, the Big Bang is the current theory, right? And I know a lot of physicists would disagree with me, but it sounds a lot like "then there was light" to me.

I think evolution and all of science works just fine with any religion. Science is the what and how and religion is the why and who.

[Chii]

evolution is a big hoax. the creater of the evolution theoryeven said so him self on his deathbed that he made it all up. and no evolution does not go with every religion oesnt go with my religion.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

i can see what ur saying useful but evolution/big bang doesnt fit with my belief.

i believe that God created the world in 7 days but then i get confused becuz in the bible it says that one day to God is like a thousand years.
but i unno if im suppose to take that litterally or not. theres lots of metaphoric stuff in that book lol.
when he created us he put us in charge of all the animals..
ALL the animals, dinos to mice.
so we have been here since the beginning of time..
which i believe is only like 6000 years.
but yah so the whole big bang thing doesnt cut it for me becuz God was there before anything...there was just darkness.
Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the light....."

i mean....i am still so clueless with this whole thing...i have a gazillion questions that i would love to have answered...
but yes science definitly has a place in everything..
also i am not trying to be like..
NOOO UR WRONG!
i want u to share ur stuff to :)

[Useful]

but yah so the whole big bang thing doesnt cut it for me becuz God was there before anything...there was just darkness.
Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the light....."

Actually, what I was saying is that there might be a God. A God who was there before the creation of the universe (the darkness) and then made it in a flash, otherwise known as the Big Bang (God created the light).



evolution is a big hoax. the creater of the evolution theoryeven said so him self on his deathbed that he made it all up. and no evolution does not go with every religion oesnt go with my religion.

Hmm, talking about hoaxes, are we? Try this on for size:
"A widespread rumor circulated -- facilitated by an evangelist by the name of Lady Hope who preached in Downe during the last years of Darwins life -- that on his deathbed Darwin renounced evolution and declared himself a Christian. This story, totally contradictory to the nature of the man himself, is a falsehood, denied by his daughter Henrietta and those who knew him best and who were actually at his bedside during his last weeks. Darwin's last words, spoken to his wife Emma, were in actuality, 'I am not in the least afraid to die.'"
Source: http://www.public.coe.edu/departments/Biology/darwin_bio.html

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

ok..
u said there might be a God.
but then that would mean that he created it in seven days...
becuz the bible is an account of what God did..
and it doesnt say he made a big bang.
but ur the first person ive ever talked to that said there might be a God and believed in teh big bang at the same time...
its cool..
NOW!
with the second half..
Chii quit attacking useful for his beliefs..
and useful i unno if that was an attack or not but lets keep this a discussion. its safer and funner

[Filleraol]

man I love this forum, can keep me busy for hours

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

i know!
me and useful are having a meaningful conversation.
ON AMVHELL NONETHELESS!

[Useful]

Wasn't exactly an attack... it was more a defense. Basically, what he just said was completely wrong; Darwin did not refute evolutionary theory on his death bed. He has yet to make a counter riposte.

In regards to what you're saying: well, I'm not much for the literal interpretation of the Bible, because no one has ever said that the Bible was God's exact words. In fact, even Bible literalists would have to admit that only a very small section of the Bible is supposed to be God's exact words: the parts where God is actually quoted. What I'm saying is that among all the creation myths in the world, the Christian one is actually one of the least plausible, but still works with science if taken not-quite-literally. Which was probably the intention anyway. Genesis was written down by someone a long time ago, mostly to teach us other life lessons, not to tell us exactly how God said the world was created. So I take anything in the Bible with a grain of salt, remembering to look at the bigger picture and not the strange little things it says.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

yes there is very few parts in the bible that have Gods EXACT words...
most of it is written by people through him.
see but what makes u think that the christian view is the least plausible..
because...we dont really know what is right...all creation/evolution "myths" are not very plausible....it just depends on what u believe...
am i making sense or not? becuz i think im typing unstructered.
like i have faith that what i believe is right..
and i mean every "myth" has things in it that make people go...
UHM THAT IS NOT TRUE haha.
like christianity....a God created us..weird..
like evolution....we use to be monkeys...weird..
buddist, and whatever else is out there, they all have there own views.

[Chii]

here you go took awhile to remeber his name but remebered it

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i1/creation.asp

heck when your bored read some of his books or watchsome of his videos he an argueabout this stuff better then me

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

mhm thats a good one...
useful for interest reasons u should check out..Ken Ham

[Chii]

mhm thats a good one...
useful for interest reasons u should check out..Ken Ham


you know whats sad i wathed him for like 12 hours then couldnt remeber his bloody name

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

yah i know lol...
whos the other guy that does the exact same thing...
we watched the with andrew...
wats his name?

[Chii]

lol i only remeber ken ham

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

frick i wish i could remember

[Useful]

I see some problems with this: one is the supposition that evolution cannot be seen as occurring within a humans life span, in other words not in the past. It can be: one recent study showed that fruit flies subjected to high levels of stress and danger on a regular basis develop spiny skin and become much larger within a few generations.

Another is the Debate Terms section. My question to you is: would you trust something a friend told you and could show you if you wanted to see if it was true, or something a friend told you that had come out of a book around 2500 years old and couldn't show you for the life of him? That's the fundamental problem with "all facts are interpreted".

Also, here's a little thing about carbon dating, which many fundamentalists choose not to believe. This question may seem unrelated, but bear with me: Do you believe in atomic theory?

[Chii]

could you re=phrase question 2 lol dont understand it.

[Useful]

Do you believe in nuclear energy and atomic bombs?

[Chii]

Do you believe in nuclear energy and atomic bombs?


dont know where your going with this but ok

yes i do believe in bombs

[Useful]

Do you believe that those are run through the breakdown of Uranium into Lead?

If you do, it also probably means you understand what a half-life is. If you understand that, then it's hard to argue with U-235 deposits that are almost entirely lead in the older sections of the Earth's crust because of it's stupendous age.

[Chii]

Do you believe that those are run through the breakdown of Uranium into Lead?

If you do, it also probably means you understand what a half-life is. If you understand that, then it's hard to argue with U-235 deposits that are almost entirely lead in the older sections of the Earth's crust because of it's stupendous age.


lol you lost me.

[Useful]

Okay, never mind. I like having these argument with people who can keep up with me, but that appears not to be the case. No offense, I just don't see the point of debating with someone who can't understand what I'm saying. Let's call the argument "dismissed for lack of evidence" and move on to something else.

[Chii]

ok agreed um then what do we talk about?

[Useful]

I don't know... I think this thread should go dormant until we can get someone who can actually argue with me about Evolutionary theory. That seems to be the most logical purpose for this thread. Back to the accusation thread?

[Chii]

I don't know... I think this thread should go dormant until we can get someone who can actually argue with me about Evolutionary theory. That seems to be the most logical purpose for this thread. Back to the accusation thread?


im going to study up on this and maybe come back and argue with you with some big fansy words!! :D

[Useful]

I don't know... I think this thread should go dormant until we can get someone who can actually argue with me about Evolutionary theory. That seems to be the most logical purpose for this thread. Back to the accusation thread?


im going to study up on this and maybe come back and argue with you with some big fansy words!! :D

Good luck, truly! Remember, facts are only what you can see, hear, smell, taste, or feel. Everything else is belief.

[Chii]

I don't know... I think this thread should go dormant until we can get someone who can actually argue with me about Evolutionary theory. That seems to be the most logical purpose for this thread. Back to the accusation thread?


im going to study up on this and maybe come back and argue with you with some big fansy words!! :D

Good luck, truly! Remember, facts are only what you can see, hear, smell, taste, or feel. Everything else is belief.


just a quick question
where you there?

[Useful]

When?

[Chii]

Correct me if i'm wrong but, when something evolved into something else, dosen't the thing it evolved from become extinct. after all a big part of evolution is adapting to environments and changes in things. We still have apes?

[Issitheus]

Oh Chii of small mind. While humans are believed to be descended from apes, they would have evolved from a certain species and for certain reasons, such as location. A species evolves to better reproduce and survive. Apes are not all one species and not all of them need to evolve as drastically as our predecessors did.

[Chii]

now heres a question for you hwo do you know that monkeys or apes evolved into humans? how do you know that the big bang really happened? where you there to see it? did you see the monkey transforn into people? do you know anyone that has seen any of those?

[Issitheus]

how do you know they didn't?

[Chii]

if i saw a monkey transform into a person i would tell someone or write it on a wall like the natives. in the end it was made up by some man who was bored.

[Issitheus]

Have you studied evolution at all? It takes place over centuries. minor genetic changes. survival of the fittest. seriously. it's quite an interesting topic.

[Chii]

Have you studied evolution at all? It takes place over centuries. minor genetic changes. survival of the fittest. seriously. it's quite an interesting topic.

why would i want to study or learn a lie?

[Chii]

here you go buddy read this

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/is-there-really-a-god

[Issitheus]

Whatever, I'm not gonna argue with you. If that's what you think, then alright. I'm not saying you're right or wrong, I'm just saying that we have opposing beliefs. I'll leave it at that.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

OK! IM BAK! havent been here since last nite and alot has been written!
WOOOHOO!
FIRST OFF!
Useful ol' buddy ol' pal. :)
ok when those fruit flies got bigger and got spikes on their skin when exposed to stress, thats called "adapting"..
its still a fly...
like when a mexican moves to canada they are
frozen at first but then adapts to the cold..haha.
another example is the seahorse that ca change its sex...
so that it is impossible to not find a mate...
thats not evolving thats adapting..
..
Now chii...
when you said.."did u see evolution happen?" they could have raped u there..
becuz..did u see
God create earth?
No..
but thats why we have faith.
When scientists found sone tools in a cave thousands of years ago they didnt go. "O AN EXPLOSION MADE THESE!"
they knew they were designed by early humans..
EVERYONE can recognize design..
In a similar way, one would never look at the Great Wall of China, the U.S. Capitol building in Washington D.C., or the Sydney Opera House in Australia and conclude that such structures were formed after explosions in a brick factory.
Neither would anyone believe that the presidents? heads on Mt. Rushmore were the products of millions of years of erosion......
We can recognize design, the evidence of the outworkings of intelligence. We see man-made objects all around us?cars, airplanes, computers, stereos, houses, appliances, and so on. And yet, at no time would anyone ever suggest that such objects were just the products of time and chance.
Design is everywhere..... It
would never enter our minds that metal, left to itself, would eventually form into engines, transmissions, wheels, and all the other intricate parts needed to produce an automobile.....

(the next text is taken from Ken Ham)

Living Things Show Evidence of Design!
The late Isaac Asimov, an ardent anti-creationist, declared, ?In man is a three-pound brain which, as far as we know, is the most complex and orderly arrangement of matter in the universe.?5 It is much more complex than the most complicated computer ever built. Wouldn?t it be logical to assume that if man?s highly intelligent brain designed the computer, then the human brain was also the product of design?

Scientists who reject the concept of a Creator God agree that all living things exhibit evidence of design. In essence, they accept the design argument of Paley, but not Paley?s Designer. For example, Dr. Michael Denton, a non-Christian medical doctor and scientist with a doctorate in molecular biology, concludes:

It is the sheer universality of perfection, the fact that everywhere we look, to whatever depth we look, we find an elegance and ingenuity of an absolutely transcending quality, which so mitigates against the idea of chance. Alongside the level of ingenuity and complexity exhibited by the molecular machinery of life, even our most advanced artifacts appear clumsy. We feel humbled, as neolithic man would in the presence of twentiethcentury technology. It would be an illusion to think that what we are aware of at present is any more than a fraction of the full extent of biological design. In practically every field of fundamental biological research ever-increasing levels of design and complexity are being revealed at an ever-accelerating rate.6

Dr. Richard Dawkins, holder of the Charles Simonyi Chair of Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University, has become one of the world?s leading evolutionist spokespersons. His fame has come as the result of the publication of books, including The Blind Watchmaker, which defend modern evolutionary theory and claim to refute once and for all the notion of a Creator God. He said, ?We have seen that living things are too improbable and too beautifully ?designed? to have come into existence by chance.?7

There is no doubt that even the most ardent atheist concedes that design is evident in the animals and plants that inhabit our planet. If Dawkins rejects ?chance? in design, what does he put in place of ?chance? if he does not accept a Creator God?

Who?or What?Is the Designer Then?
Design obviously implies a designer. To a Christian, the design we see all around us is totally consistent with the Bible?s explanation: ?In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth? (Genesis 1:1), and ?For by him [Jesus Christ] all things were created that are in heaven and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through him and for him? (Colossians 1:16).

However, evolutionists like Richard Dawkins, who admit the design in living things, reject the idea of any kind of a Designer/God. In reference to Paley, Dawkins states:

Paley?s argument is made with passionate sincerity and is informed by the best biological scholarship of his day, but it is wrong, gloriously and utterly wrong. The analogy between telescope and eye, between watch and living organism, is false.8

Why? It is because Dawkins attributes the design to what he calls ?blind forces of physics? and the processes of natural selection. Dawkins writes:

All appearance to the contrary, the only watchmaker in nature is the blind forces of physics, albeit deployed in a very special way. A true watchmaker has foresight: he designs his cogs and springs, and plans their interconnections, with future purpose in his mind?s eye. Natural selection, the blind, unconscious, automatic process which Darwin discovered, and which we now know is the explanation for the existence and apparently purposeful form of all life, has no purpose in mind. It has no mind and no mind?s eye. It does not plan for the future. It has no vision, no foresight, no sight at all. If it can be said to play the role of watchmaker in nature, it is the blind watchmaker [emphasis added].9

Dawkins does, however, concede that ?the more statistically improbable a thing is, the less can we believe that it just happened by blind chance. Superficially the obvious alternative to chance is an Intelligent Designer.?10

Nonetheless, he rejects the idea of an ?Intelligent Designer? and instead offers this ?answer?:

The answer, Darwin?s answer, is by gradual, step-by-step transformations from simple beginnings, from primordial entities sufficiently simple to have come into existence by chance. Each successive change in the gradual evolutionary process was simple enough, relative to its predecessor, to have arisen by chance. But the whole sequence of cumulative steps constitutes anything but a chance process, when you consider the complexity of the final end product relative to the original starting point. The cumulative process is directed by nonrandom survival. The purpose of this chapter is to demonstrate the power of this cumulative selection as a fundamentally nonrandom process.11

Basically, then, Dawkins is doing nothing more than insisting that natural selection12 and mutations13 together provide the mechanism for the evolutionary process. He believes these processes are nonrandom and directed. In reality, this is just a sophisticated way of saying that evolution is itself the designer.

[jaw091]

i like chicken so chicken is practically is always on my mind

[abyssion1337]

Have you studied evolution at all? It takes place over centuries. minor genetic changes. survival of the fittest. seriously. it's quite an interesting topic.

why would i want to study or learn a lie?

rediculous, I don't believe in god but my bother does and he believes in evolution: He claims that god is responsable for evolution which makes much more sense than him/her just creating everything. BTW you can see evolution.

[Issitheus]

you can see evolution.

if you live for a REALLY long time.

[Chii]

Whatever, I'm not gonna argue with you. If that's what you think, then alright. I'm not saying you're right or wrong, I'm just saying that we have opposing beliefs. I'll leave it at that.

kk ya im with you

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

Im guessing no one will read my log argument except for useful...
BECUZ HES AWESOME!
thx for having this discussion useful..
iits fun and passes time!

[jaw091]

wow evolotion is very interesting it makes you think.....hmmmm

[Ionzorg]

I read the whole thing, it was indeed a thought-provoking piece of writing. :) Not being a man of faith, can't say I totally believe, but it makes a lot of sense on various levels in the context of religion.

When it comes to evolution, it really has more to do with genetics. When humans procreate, they pass on their traits to their children. Humans who are stronger or smarter than most will live longer and consequentially have more children, and hence create humans that are stronger or smarter than most. Over many generations, these overall genetic improvements would just become more and more evident, as these children continued to procreate, etc. It may be a long, LONG process, but in the context of modern genetics, it's hard to argue with. So, until modern genetics is completely disproved, my belief is that evolution is just something that happens. :-\

As for the chicken and the egg...I choose not to answer that question. I like the idea of the chicken, for various reasons, but I remain undecided.

[jaw091]

hmmm i kinda c where u r gettin at

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

I read the whole thing, it was indeed a thought-provoking piece of writing. :) Not being a man of faith, can't say I totally believe, but it makes a lot of sense on various levels in the context of religion.

When it comes to evolution, it really has more to do with genetics. When humans procreate, they pass on their traits to their children. Humans who are stronger or smarter than most will live longer and consequentially have more children, and hence create humans that are stronger or smarter than most. Over many generations, these overall genetic improvements would just become more and more evident, as these children continued to procreate, etc. It may be a long, LONG process, but in the context of modern genetics, it's hard to argue with. So, until modern genetics is completely disproved, my belief is that evolution is just something that happens. :-\

As for the chicken and the egg...I choose not to answer that question. I like the idea of the chicken, for various reasons, but I remain undecided.


i know what ur gettin at but i got one argument...
humans arent gettin stronger...
they may be gettin smarter but not stronger...
humans are on average about 2 feet shorter then they were 5000 years ago....
and we our immune systems cant take now what the early humans could take...
we produce more sick, unhealthy, deformed human babies now then we ever had...
but for sure we are gettin smarter.

[Ionzorg]

I read the whole thing, it was indeed a thought-provoking piece of writing. :) Not being a man of faith, can't say I totally believe, but it makes a lot of sense on various levels in the context of religion.

When it comes to evolution, it really has more to do with genetics. When humans procreate, they pass on their traits to their children. Humans who are stronger or smarter than most will live longer and consequentially have more children, and hence create humans that are stronger or smarter than most. Over many generations, these overall genetic improvements would just become more and more evident, as these children continued to procreate, etc. It may be a long, LONG process, but in the context of modern genetics, it's hard to argue with. So, until modern genetics is completely disproved, my belief is that evolution is just something that happens. :-\

As for the chicken and the egg...I choose not to answer that question. I like the idea of the chicken, for various reasons, but I remain undecided.


i know what ur gettin at but i got one argument...
humans arent gettin stronger...
they may be gettin smarter but not stronger...
humans are on average about 2 feet shorter then they were 5000 years ago....
and we our immune systems cant take now what the early humans could take...
we produce more sick, unhealthy, deformed human babies now then we ever had...
but for sure we are gettin smarter.

Yeah, I see what you mean, actually, and you're right about the stronger thing (the 2-foot height difference was an interesting fact)...I blame our poor immune systems and genetic deficiencies on society today. We're all becoming too weak, being so reliant on medicinal technology and whatnot. I'm sure early humans' immune systems could take plenty more than ours, because they didn't have medicine to fight off disease for them.

I don't know. Any opinions on the matter?

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

o yah for sure ur bang on!

like we take shots to avoid the flu (which i NEVER get becuz i want my body to build up a defence on my own!) i almost never get shots...except tetinis of course...and im almost never sick..
humans load themselves up today with so much meds and shots that when a common cold hits there bodies are screwed..

another example is pets...
our dog has never got a shot or anything
(live out of the city) and hes 13 (in human years) the one time we took him to the vet to see if he was allergic to anything the vet said he wouldnt be suprised if our dog was immune to rabies! (not sure if he was kidding or not, guess we wait and see)
..
now we got another dog that gets shots regularly, (bought this one, it was exspensive, the other dog is a mutt!) and it gets sick from eating a blade of grass lmao...

that was an off topic example but u get my point..
yah Ionzorg u were bang on tho!

[Useful]

Well, that guy you quoted... Ken Ham: he has points, but they're based on a shakey knowledge of evolution. He says that "chance" is what drives evolution, but you've been reading this thread, that's obviously not how it works.

When it comes to evolution, it really has more to do with genetics. When humans procreate, they pass on their traits to their children. Humans who are stronger or smarter than most will live longer and consequentially have more children, and hence create humans that are stronger or smarter than most. Over many generations, these overall genetic improvements would just become more and more evident, as these children continued to procreate, etc. It may be a long, LONG process, but in the context of modern genetics, it's hard to argue with. So, until modern genetics is completely disproved, my belief is that evolution is just something that happens. :-\

It's not chance, it's how well adapted you are. The build up of adaptations (as Nyuu was pointing out) over multiple generations moves towards speciation.

In terms of humans getting weaker: yes, we are getting smarter and weaker. In fact, these two traits are in direct proportion to each other. Our brain takes 30% of the blood coming out of our hearts. Our brains are some of the largest in the animal kingdom in proportion to our body size. This large brain has made up for our lack of physical prowess, and as we focus more and more on technology and development, it will continue to accentuate.

Oh, and in terms of height? Not as far as I know... the healthiest nations in the world (Iceland, Norway, Sweden) also have the highest average height. And average height worldwide has been growning steadily from at least 1700. This is probably due to improving health care.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/16/1082055655965.html

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

o that could well be that it going up again..
but we are still shorter then we were thousands of years ago..
but hey i didnt know we were gettin taller again!
YAY HUMANS!

[Chii]

YAY HUMANS!

YAY HUMANS

BOO GAYS AND OTHER PEOPLE WHICH I WON MENCHION CAUSE SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE AFFENDED!!

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

hey only 50% of the words u just spelled are wrong!
ur gettin better!
YAYA

[Useful]

YAY HUMANS!

YAY HUMANS

BOO GAYS AND OTHER PEOPLE WHICH I WON MENCHION CAUSE SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE AFFENDED!!

Wait. Are you implying that the other people aren't human? Even if you didn't mean to, that's pretty bigoted.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

chii always manages to get himself in trouble ;)

[Useful]

Yeah... >:(

Nah, I don't really mind, but this last comment was kinda... racist and bigoted.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

yah i read it and i was like...
here comes the flak
haha

[Ionzorg]

Hm, I wonder if anyone will actually be offended by that comment by the time a new page is started... :P

Yay humans! I guess I'm a contributor in the whole tallness aspect of things, being a rather tall guy myself, so I feel good about that. But boo humans for...drum roll :-X...Global Warming!

Also, thanks Nyuu, and good on you! That's all very true, I haven't gotten a flu shot in years, when I do get sick I barely ever go to the doctor anymore and my immune system gets better every month. I feel sorry for you're dog, though...I don't even think I got sick from eating grass when I was a kid.

[1337uvis]

Wanna check where you stand at "The evolutionary timeline"?
Quite generalised but almost correct.
Eye Colour:
Brown - Oldest colour in "the pallette"
Blue - Oldest along with brown. Yet the gene is recessive so it gets overwhelmed by brown.
Green - Mutation of brown - more recent.
Blue-green - A mutation of green and blue. Quite rare. Most recent.
Hair colour:
Black - Usually comes with brown eyes, oldest Homo Sapiens hair colour.
Blond - Not originally a Homo Sapiens colour, but of the Neanderthal. Oldest.
Brown/Red - Mutations of brown, more recent.
Skin colour:
NO difference

Ofcourse that has no impact in real-life performance of somebody, but it just might be fun to know from when do your genes come.

And about the chicken and the egg... Chuck came first. And thats the END of it.

[Chii]

Yeah... >:(

Nah, I don't really mind, but this last comment was kinda... racist and bigoted.


iam racist towards gays they dont get rights we should ship them off and kill them ahahaha

[Adjacent Badger]

Want would anyone achieve by that?

[Chii]

you wouldnt get stalked by them or get phone calls from them at 12 in the night which all happened to me so join G.M.D (gays must die)!!!

[Filleraol]

You know, there are heterosexual people who does that all the time too. Should we kill them too? :P

[Chii]

ya we should a gay less world is a happy world

[abyssion1337]

next you're going to suggest thought police.

[jaw091]

hmmm i wonder how that would turn out

[KazuoMM]

ya we should a gay less world is a happy world


a gayless world would be a sad world
gay=happy

and isnt there research supporting being homosexual is genetic?

[1337uvis]

Actually now scientists have declared that "Gay IS natural" since they found over a 150 species of animals that er....have gay individuals. my english just cracked on that sentence, but you can pretty much guess what i wanted to say,right?
And while i do not approve things like gay parades and stuff, as long as they live like any other people i'm ok with that

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

GAY IS NOT NATURAL!
ITS A CHOICE!
THE PERSON MAKES THAT CHOICE!
HE IS NOT BORN THAT WAY!
HE CHOOSES TO BE GAY OR STRAIGHT!

[Adjacent Badger]

I don't care, if you're born as one or it's a choice. A non-reproductive sexual orientation is in my opinion not a basis for condemning other people and that's what you do, when you divide them in straights and non-straights.

[Amber_Cot]

GAY IS NOT NATURAL!
ITS A CHOICE!
THE PERSON MAKES THAT CHOICE!
HE IS NOT BORN THAT WAY!
HE CHOOSES TO BE GAY OR STRAIGHT!


agreed

[Ionzorg]

I really don't know, and I don't care all that much whether homosexuality is genetic or an individual choice, I'll just wait until science and the Genome Project finally come up with some answers.

There might be some evidence to suggest that homosexuality is natural and genetic, though: The Earth is really a giant living organism all on its own; its inhabitants often tend to actually change and adapt in accordance with what benefits the Earth as a whole, as that in turn benefits its inhabitants. It is becoming overwhelmed with the overflowing human population. Due to the fact that there are statistically more gays today than there ever has been, it can be determined that humans are actually gay more frequently as the Earth's way of population control.

It's really only a theory, and I only heard about this today, but I think it makes a good deal of sense.

[Adjacent Badger]

I've heard that if you gives a rat hiatus an ostrogen injection, it is much more likely to develop into a homosexual individual. If that's true for humans, pollution could also play a role in an increased number of homosexuals.

Everyones speaking of gays, does gay cover homosexual women?

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

I've heard that if you gives a rat hiatus an ostrogen injection, it is much more likely to develop into a homosexual individual. If that's true for humans, pollution could also play a role in an increased number of homosexuals.

Everyones speaking of gays, does gay cover homosexual women?


yes gay women is included in there...
also about my other comment about how gay is a choice not how ur born..
yah i wasnt condeming them like u said.
i was just saying that when people say they are born that way i think it is untrue

[jaw091]

GAY IS NOT NATURAL!
ITS A CHOICE!
THE PERSON MAKES THAT CHOICE!
HE IS NOT BORN THAT WAY!
HE CHOOSES TO BE GAY OR STRAIGHT!


he or she

[1337uvis]

Hm...something's not going right here... i don't like gay people, yet somehow i am defending them. Nevermind i guess, that's just my social liberal way.
It is proven that being gay is not a choice since 1979 when the UN health commitee (or something like that) removed "Being homosexual" from the disease list.
And anyway, i've got a great tip for you all. It is said that 10% o population is gay. Dunno if it's true but whatever. But of what some people DON'T think is that the more gay guys there are... the more girls for YOU! Be selfish for once!

[jaw091]

lolz there are quite a few gay men in russia

[1337uvis]

Well then, good thing im not in RUSSIA!

*OFFTOPIC* Something just keeps going wrong with these ads people... http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/4135/wtfik2.jpg

[Ionzorg]

*OFFTOPIC* Something just keeps going wrong with these ads people... http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/4135/wtfik2.jpg

Yep, I've got that ad too...and after you pointed it out, I have two words to say:

O rly?

[Adjacent Badger]

yah i wasnt condeming them like u said.
i was just saying that when people say they are born that way i think it is untrue


I don't agree with on that. You divide people in straight and gay and thus condemn the gays as non-straight AKA those who are wrong.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

no...im not condemning them!
thats like saying if u call a girl a girl ur condemning her..
there are girls and there are guys
there are cats and there are dogs
there are straights and there are gays..
im just using "straight" as in, "likes the opposite gender"

[Chii]

i condemn gays they arnt humans they don't deserve to vote they don't deserve to get married legally stupid governemet let gays get married legally cause they wanted move votes but i bet they regreting it now.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

o my goodness.... :D

[Adjacent Badger]

no...im not condemning them!
thats like saying if u call a girl a girl ur condemning her..
there are girls and there are guys
there are cats and there are dogs
there are straights and there are gays..
im just using "straight" as in, "likes the opposite gender"

It may be me, who are not into all the nuances of the English language, but in my opinion, calling someone 'straight' compared to others, implies that the first ones are as the should be, while the latter is not.

Even if a degrading term becomes widely used, it is still degrading, valuing some above others.

[jaw091]

indeed it is

[abyssion1337]

i condemn gays they arnt humans they don't deserve to vote they don't deserve to get married legally stupid governemet let gays get married legally cause they wanted move votes but i bet they regreting it now.

It's actually people like you who aren't human: You have no empathy and hate what you don't understand or agree with; at the very least you can choose to ignore other life styles but to actively pursue it makes you no different from the KKK or Nazi's

[Chii]

i condemn gays they arnt humans they don't deserve to vote they don't deserve to get married legally stupid governemet let gays get married legally cause they wanted move votes but i bet they regreting it now.

It's actually people like you who aren't human: You have no empathy and hate what you don't understand or agree with; at the very least you can choose to ignore other life styles but to actively pursue it makes you no different from the KKK or Nazi's


well there is the G.M.D wanna join?

[Adjacent Badger]

i condemn gays they arnt humans they don't deserve to vote they don't deserve to get married legally stupid governemet let gays get married legally cause they wanted move votes but i bet they regreting it now.


What is it that in your opinion makes homosexuals less valuable humans?

[Chii]

i condemn gays they arnt humans they don't deserve to vote they don't deserve to get married legally stupid governemet let gays get married legally cause they wanted move votes but i bet they regreting it now.


What is it that in your opinion makes homosexuals less valuable humans?


i know its not right to think like that but ya i do

[abyssion1337]

he asked why

[jaw091]

why because they cannot repoduce maybe ...... i dont know just a random guess

[Chii]

why because they cannot repoduce maybe ...... i dont know just a random guess


ya thats one reason and its the way i think i may think gays arnt people and you think they are you think evolution is the right way and i dont think its the right way any more questions i nee to awnser?

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

no...im not condemning them!
thats like saying if u call a girl a girl ur condemning her..
there are girls and there are guys
there are cats and there are dogs
there are straights and there are gays..
im just using "straight" as in, "likes the opposite gender"

It may be me, who are not into all the nuances of the English language, but in my opinion, calling someone 'straight' compared to others, implies that the first ones are as the should be, while the latter is not.

Even if a degrading term becomes widely used, it is still degrading, valuing some above others.


well im sorry badger, that was not my intent..
i was not purposefully degrading them..
i should have said
there are un-gay and then there are gay...

lmao chii u just started a war

[abyssion1337]

why because they cannot repoduce maybe ...... i dont know just a random guess


ya thats one reason and its the way i think i may think gays arnt people and you think they are you think evolution is the right way and i dont think its the right way any more questions i nee to awnser?

no you're intitled to your opinion, even if it is disgustingly wrong.

[Chii]

how about this ill believe that being gay is wrong and not the way of life you guys can believe its the way of life and drop this.

lets move to global warming

i belive global warming is fake cause the earth goes through iceages all the time.....it did b4 cars and factories and it will again regardless

[abyssion1337]

I thought republicans didn't believe in global warming.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

i MAINLY dont believe in global warming..
there are a few things i agree with

[abyssion1337]

wow, you don't know much, it takes a lot to cause an ice age; they don't just spring up. global warming is a huge problem.

[Chii]

lol... Global warming is a money scam now :P Because the goverment wants people to rely less on fossil fuels... That's why we should use hybrids. Energy saving lightbulbs and water saving toilets and shower heads are also a money grab. Wind powered generators are a hoax - they're no better for the environment than coal. There hasn't been an increase in respiratory problems and asthma in the last few decades. In fact the Candian government enjoys paying for treatment of imaginary asthma. Public transit is a money grab - use the municipal gas because the government makes more off of that then the taxes on gasoline at public pumps. There's a whole line-up of money grabbing techniques the goverment uses by promoting global warming.

[Adjacent Badger]

I'll get back to the homosexual topic, though the thread has rapidly moved on.

Chii, couldn't you at least try to write something that tends towards correct English? It can be quite difficult to sort out any meaning of your ramblings, when there is not even the slightes sign of punctuation, though I'm sure there is a meaning.



yes, thats one reason and it's the way I think, I may think gays aren't people and you think they are. You think evolution is the right way and I dont think it's the right way. Any more questions I need to awnser?
(I've tried to punctuate it, so that it is at least clear what I'm responding to.)

Well, would you mind starting out by answering my quetion?
As far is I can gather, you feel stalked by homosexuals and I get a feeling that there are also some religious motivation. But do you have some general reasons for considering homosexuals non-human or is it just based on religious dogma and bad experiences with a few individual members of the group called homosexuals.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

hey abyss be respectful...
juss becuz i have an opinion doesnt mean im an idiot..
i said i MAINLY dont believe in it..
i AGREE WITH SOME THINGS!!!!
i believe that it is an issue..
i think its wayyyyy more hyped up then it needs to be...

and chii did tottaly not write that.
he copy and pasted hahaha

[Chii]

hey abyss be respectful...
juss becuz i have an opinion doesnt mean im an idiot..
i said i MAINLY dont believe in it..
i AGREE WITH SOME THINGS!!!!
i believe that it is an issue..
i think its wayyyyy more hyped up then it needs to be...

and chii did tottaly not write that.
he copy and pasted hahaha




lol you can tell because if i wrote it the whole thing would be one sentence holy **** abjacent badger does it matter how i write the dam thing et off my back

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

lol..
yah no kiddin when i read it i was like...
michael wrote that!
oooooooo waiiiitttt

[Chii]

its all good lol i found this funny not related to this topic oh well

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/bush-disapproval-rating-makes-history/20080501200009990002?icid=100214839x1201239287x120 0044287

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

WERE TALKING ABOUT HOMOSEXUALS AND GLOBAL WARMING CHANGE THE SUBJECT AND ILL RAPE U IN UR SLEEP! :)

[Chii]

i said it wasnt related to this tread lol read my son

[abyssion1337]

I wasn't talking about you nyuu it's mostly chii.

[Chii]

I wasn't talking about you nyuu it's mostly chii.


only chii why you racist to me is it because im white?

[abyssion1337]

that's right: yellow power!

[Chii]

that's right: yellow power!


lmao good times good times

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

wow, you don't know much, it takes a lot to cause an ice age; they don't just spring up. global warming is a huge problem.


was this not directed at me?

[abyssion1337]

no, chii said that we'll be saved by another ice age

[Chii]

wow, you don't know much, it takes a lot to cause an ice age; they don't just spring up. global warming is a huge problem.


was this not directed at me?


lol no no to me

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

he said that!
oops i must have missed that.
sorry my bad :-[

[abyssion1337]

he edited an old post; so it wasn't there the first time

[Chii]

heres something else abpout global warming here we go

QUOTE: lotus

You guys want the simple truth? The problem is money.

crap forgot something here we go again

QUOTE: lotus

Why have there been no major strides to stop global warming in the United States? Because no one can make money off of it.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

he edited an old post; so it wasn't there the first time

o ok..
phhhhh..
i feel like a dumbass

[Chii]

he edited an old post; so it wasn't there the first time

o ok..
phhhhh..
i feel like a dumbass


oh but you are but then that means IM ONE TOO NOOOOOO

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

no kiddin if im a dumbass then u FOR SURE are!
lol jk bro

[Chii]

you dead tonite i kill you foo we get to learn about the BIG M fun :o

[abyssion1337]

walrus, kill them both.

[Adjacent Badger]

lol you can tell because if i wrote it the whole thing would be one sentence holy **** abjacent badger does it matter how i write the dam thing et off my back

Yes it does. If I cannot decifrate your ramblings, it is difficult to take them as other than spam. And if your intension is indeed spam, I think you should find less serious subjects.

[Chii]

walrus, kill them both.


NO WALRUS YOU TUSK DOESNT GO IN NYUU'S oh to late

there he goes again badger i write how i want you write how you want and if that was spam dont you think you post just now was spam?

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

lmao o my goodness chii u do need to seperate ur sentences better, i cant read that pile **** u just posted

[Chii]

lmao o my goodness chii u do need to seperate ur sentences better, i cant read that pile **** u just posted


how cant you read it? ok here ill redo it so badger will be happy

there he goes again. badger i write how i want to write, you write how you want to write, and if that was spam dont you think that your post just now was spam?

better badger you got your way.

[abyssion1337]

mushroom, mushroom

[Chii]

mushroom, mushroom

shrooms!!! ;D

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

lmao o my goodness chii u do need to seperate ur sentences better, i cant read that pile **** u just posted


how cant you read it? ok here ill redo it so badger will be happy

there he goes again. badger i write how i want to write, you write how you want to write, and if that was spam dont you think that your post just now was spam?

better badger you got your way.


much better chii!
CONGRATS!
*clapping*

[abyssion1337]

*seal claps*

[Chii]

*seal claps*


lmao thanks guys i feel like a changed person now 8)

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

well u still have one huge issue..
u like chii

[Chii]

well u still have one huge issue..
u like chii


22 more mins you dead dead like the kittens i kill YOU WONT GET ME PETA

[abyssion1337]

well u still have one huge issue..
u like chii


22 more mins you dead dead like the kittens i kill YOU WONT GET ME PETA

you had a relapse, it should say; 22 more minutes and you're dead, dead like the kitten i kill: YOU WON'T GET ME PETA

[Chii]

well u still have one huge issue..
u like chii


22 more mins you dead dead like the kittens i kill YOU WONT GET ME PETA

you had a relapse, it should say; 22 more minutes and you'r dead, dead like the kitten i kill, YOU WOiN'T GET ME PETA


i for got something in there here we go

22 more minutes and your dead nyuu, dead like the kittens i killed. YOU WONT GET ME PETA!

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

were teaching chii to write, isnt this special :D

[abyssion1337]

like that special place in hell reserved for child molesters and those who talk in the theatre?

[Chii]

I'm learning, and feeling loved all at once.

lmao abyssion1337

[Adjacent Badger]

how cant you read it? ok here ill redo it so badger will be happy

there he goes again. badger i write how i want to write, you write how you want to write, and if that was spam dont you think that your post just now was spam?

better badger you got your way.

Thanks for the care, but I didn't say that what you wrote WAS spam, I said that I'd have to take it as spam, if it was non-decipherable ramblings. I absolutely prefer to be able to understand what you write.

Thou art most cetainly in your good right to make thy statements in anyway thy heart might desire, but unless thou makest them in such a manner, that thy fellow writer can grasp their full meaning, thou cannot hope to enhance the debate.



lol... Global warming is a money scam now :P
It may be a money scam, but it is still reality. There are no way that you can deny that the temperature level has risen and there are more extreme weather now than earlier. The question is not whether global warming and climate changes are there, but what role we play in it.


Because the goverment wants people to rely less on fossil fuels... That's why we should use hybrids.

There are also the aspect of energy efficiency. as far as i remember, about 80% of the energy produced in a modern combustion engine is wasted on among other things heat and friction. The newest electric test-vehicles climb and energy efficiency of more the 80% (meaning less than 20% wasted). Right now, they're still to expensive and shortranged (the best I've heard of for a car comparable to those driving around i Scandinavia is about 200 km. on a fully loaded battery).

Secondly, only a fraction of the crude oil are actually suited for combustion engines, meaning that large amounts has to be used for other purposes. And since the oil deposits are geogriphically concentrated, it is good for any country not self-supplying to lessen it's depandency, just as it is with all other ressources.



Wind powered generators are a hoax - they're no better for the environment than coal.
I doubt that claim. From what I have heard, mining, transporting and storing the coal, produces far more polution than the entire process of creating, transporting, building, running and recycling af windmill per MWh produced. And then I've not included the burning of the coal at all.
Coal are not pure carbon. That means, that when you burn coal, you burn other substances like sulfur too and leaves considerable amounts of waste too, depending on the quality of the coal.



There hasn't been an increase in respiratory problems and asthma in the last few decades.
That's probably true, if looking only at the asthma connected to burning of fossil fuel, since there are some degree of inverse connection between the efficiency and the amount of waste products.
I don't know that much about Canada, but in Denmark, there are a clear increase in the respiratory prolems, but as far as research can tell, they are due to chemical polution rather than particle pollution from coal and oil. Maybe because we have never realy been an industial country. Took the leap from agricultural to informationbased quite fast.



Public transit is a money grab - use the municipal gas because the government makes more off of that then the taxes on gasoline at public pumps. There's a whole line-up of money grabbing techniques the goverment uses by promoting global warming.

In my oppinion, that sounds more like politicized than actual facts.


On the other hand, I agree with you, that the CO2-debate seems rather hyped. I think it is only a fraction of the problem, fx. are methane a much more potent greenhous gas and the relative emission have increased much more than CO2. probably does a lot of other factors such as the cycles of the sun influence, maybe even more than the greenhouse gasses. Sadly, we just can't do anything about that, so therefore, we have to work the factors we can ie. the greenhouse gas emissions among other things.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

im pretty sure wind mills are WAY better for the environment then coal chii

[abyssion1337]

windmills have been around forever

[Chii]

hardly wait till the government pass's (if they do) the carbon tax

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

phhhh i CAN wait

[abyssion1337]

there won't be a carbon tax, no one will get behind it

[Chii]

phhhh i CAN wait


lol that would be gay if they did" we the government is going to tax the pollution you put in the air" anyone wanna burn Styrofoam with me?

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

lol im in...
lmao we had a HUGE plastic fire on our yard the other day!
stank like ****!

[abyssion1337]

was it worse that rubber?

[Chii]

lol im in...
lmao we had a HUGE plastic fire on our yard the other day!
stank like ****!


lets do it again and video tape it and send it to al gore

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

no it wasnt as bad as rubber..
im to lazy to send it to al gore...
u do it..

[Amber_Cot]

ehehehahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHA <<<<<kira laugh

[Chii]

ehehehahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHA <<<<<kira laugh



kira laugh at al gore?

[jaw091]

thats would be .... pretty lol

[1337uvis]

Yeah , well, i&#39;ll be seeing which of you laugh when your six feet under[water] :P

[Adjacent Badger]

I will advice that you don&#39;t inhale the smoke when you burn plastic. Burning plastic gives off large amouts of CO (not CO2), which sticks in the lungs, reducing the ability to add oxygen to the blood.

[1337uvis]

Actually it doesn&#39;t stick i nthe lungs, rather it gets into your blood and joins very quickly and VERY VERY strongly with hemoglobin (the thing that actually transfers oxygen) and then there is less space for oxygen, so if you breathe Co for too long... you&#39;ll just suffocate without even knowing that. And the bond between CO and hemoglobin forms very strongly so it only breaks after more than 24 hours.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

well DUH!
lol
yah i was staying away from the smoke

[jaw091]

wow where do you guy find out all these things :o

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

well not breathing in the smoke from a plastic fire should be common knowledge

[jaw091]

well yeeah but how did you guys find out all the scenice behind it all

[Adjacent Badger]

I&#39;m just good at picking random information up. That&#39;s why I&#39;m sometimes not exactly on spot, but only know the basics. Often I use that to be able to easily look it up.

[jaw091]

o lol true
ha! tottally forgot about that

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

yah i sometimes just liek to look up random useless facts becuz its fun..
haha...
hey why not eh?

[Ionzorg]

Lots of posts since I was last on here, lots of controversy...I think I may have started the global warming debate along with Chii, didn&#39;t I? :) &#39;Kay, here&#39;s my two cents, as I&#39;m sure you&#39;d love to hear them.

Global warming: Might be a huge money making scam in some respects, but it is an exponentially increasing problem and deserves almost the amount of attention it gets, if not more. (I bought An Inconvenient Truth.) It&#39;s just that when the people who want to actually help the environment think of ways to make a positive difference, there are always the people around them, "smart" and powerful businessmen who know how to make money, who step in and find ways to exploit it for all it&#39;s worth. The hybrid car being a good example, but then again, all of that research and new technology and whatnot must be expensive.

As for Chii and his incessant hate-mongering: Although I may disagree with him with such entirety that it makes my face hurt, I find something oddly charming about his childish ignorance. I just can&#39;t bring myself to hate him.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

nobody can hate that guy lol
hes awesome!
fact:
did u know that when a volcano erupts it releases more carbon then all the humans in the world have EVER released!

so saying that were causing global warming becuz were puttin to much carbon in the air is bull****!

[1337uvis]

now, you see, a volcano erupts well at most once a year, and then over the next year nature cleans itself up (trees use co2 and emit oxygen) yet the human civilization is a constant supply of co2 and even if it were less, but because of its uninteruptidness (damn hard word) nature can&#39;t keep up and there is a buildup of co2. Add a volcano eruption and WOW!

[Ionzorg]

That&#39;s true, but it hardly seems like much of a CO2 addition (even if is constantly occurring) if what Nyuu said is true. But then, of course, volcanoes also release a lot of nutrients through volcanic rock, allowing a great many plants and trees to grow in the then fertilized soil. I&#39;ll have to look into that...I need confirmation on this most intriguing fact.

[1337uvis]

oh btw the egg was first. Just found that out. Appears the egg was some 200 million years earlier than the chicken, but it was a reptile egg :D And that in its own raises another question... lizzard or the egg? :D

[Ionzorg]

Okay, through the power of the internet I have reached a viable conclusion:
Annual amount of CO2 released by volcanic activity: 150 million tonnes.
Annual amount of CO2 released by burning of fossil fuels: 27 billion tonnes.

Al Gore remains my favourite American Vice President.

[jaw091]

wah!!!!!!!! that means we should destory volcanos

[abyssion1337]

oh btw the egg was first. Just found that out. Appears the egg was some 200 million years earlier than the chicken, but it was a reptile egg :D And that in its own raises another question... lizzard or the egg? :D

egg still, insects have been laying eggs way before lizards existed.

[Adjacent Badger]

Estonia has placed an greenhous gas emission tax on cattle, because of the massive amounts herefrom.

One cow produces approximately 0,091656978 tons methane and 0,876576 tons CO2 per year. And cud-chewing animals are responsible responsible for 15-25% of all greenhouse gas emissions.

In New Zealand, cattle alone are responsible for 90% of the country&#39;s methane emissions and 43% of it&#39;s total emissions - according to local authorities.
---All this according to a danish newspaper.---

I suspect them for messing up the the numbers, including all cud-chewers.


The emissions from farming is so large, that EU could cut 0,9% of it&#39;s emission, by cutting it&#39;s production of meat by 9%.
---this according to a weekly paper published by the engineers&#39;s union---

[1337uvis]

Yess well, in Lithuania cars make up 70% of emissions, so i guess either cows of cars have to go.... and i can&#39;t go without a steak, get my idea?

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

well you have to remeber volcano&#39;s under the ocean yet!
And also when tsunami&#39;s or hurricanes strike they wipe out mass amounts of trees which turn CO2 into oxygen. But when these trees get destroyed they turn into carbon when they decompose..
so really nature release WAY more carbon then humans....
and u cant stop nature...

[Ionzorg]

Alright, alright, you make a good point...How &#39;bout we settle for "No one really knows for sure whether humans make more of an impact on the atmosphere than the entirety of nature put together, because that would be a ridiculous thing to measure,"?

Although, to be sure, that 27 billion additional tonnes (volcanic activity apparently only produces 1/1800th of that, to put the amount in perspective) to the Earth&#39;s yearly cycles must make some kind of difference...Nature&#39;s balance is, after all, fairly delicate.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

yes there i do agree with u...
we are causing an effect...
i just think the media blow it up as much as possible to instill fear in the heart of humanity....

[Adjacent Badger]

i just think the media blow it up as much as possible to instill fear in the heart of humanity....



That may well be, it would indeed serve their agenda. But try to think of it like a bathtub that can only let out a certain amount water per second. If you increase the amounts just a little, the water will rise and eventually run over.
It may be, that humans contribute only little to the gathered emission, but we are the ones making the increases.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

well thats what Ionzorg was saying and i said i agreed with him..
its just i think that it will take hundreds of thousands of years unlike the "green" people who say in 100 years the oceans will take over the planet r some **** like that..
but no, badger i do get what ur sayin and agree,
to me its more the time span that i have an issue with

[jaw091]

dont you just hate those &#39;green&#39; people

[KazuoMM]

dont you just hate those &#39;green&#39; people


im a green person but i agree with you guys

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

well see theres being green and then theres "green" people who are like!
AAA I THREW A TISSUE IN THE GARBAGE!
WIPE UR ASS WITH YOUR HAND!!!
lol..
if u recycle, watch the amount of waste you dispose and generally do your part then its cool...
its when you start huggin trees and **** that it gets messed up

[Ionzorg]

Yeah, I&#39;m on the same page there...Like, I&#39;m all for recycling and cutting back on emissions and alternative energy and whatnot, but when people start getting bulldozed over after chaining themselves to trees, I think that&#39;s crossing the line from "conscientiousness" to "stupidity".

[Filleraol]

It&#39;s interesting for this thread to become 18 pages long.

[Adjacent Badger]

It&#39;s interesting for this thread to become 18 pages long.

Yeah, but how much of it has been about poultry?

[abyssion1337]

most of it has been religious babble

[1337uvis]

Do you mean like

"And thus he referred to the holy scripturevideo number four, gospel 17 @ 22:34" ?

cause that sounds kinda cool :D

[Ionzorg]

Timothy McSweeny?

[1337uvis]

Yeah, guess that would be saying "Go do it" in a religious way, aye?

[jaw091]

most of it has been religious babble


well if you think about it talking about religion is pretty interesting and could go on for like agesssss

[abyssion1337]

I hope it doesn&#39;t go that far; my friend and his parents are too fanatical.

[Barricade]

Well after catching up on the &#39;Bible Fight&#39; or what ever you want to call it. I guess that I could interject with an opinion. The chicken came before the egg because the creature that evolved into the chicken would give birth to it&#39;s offspring in a membrane in which overtime developed into the egg. And as for the whole &#39;green&#39; subject. Personally I think the world aint much but it is all we got, but I say **** the Alaska fanatics. Just go get the oil. The animals are already dying and they are suffering right now. Why not just put them in zoos or just put them out of their misery.

[Ionzorg]

Well, we&#39;d probably all die, for various reasons...Killing off the animals probably wouldn&#39;t go over well for us. :-\

[KazuoMM]

yea... not good to kill off the other animals
we wouldnt survive very long
because of the giant food web that goes on in the world

i dont even think we should use oil
its so pointless to use a nonrenewable resource

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

I hope it doesn&#39;t go that far; my friend and his parents are too fanatical.


just a question.
why do you guys hate religion so much?
like i am honestly wondering,
why does it matter if someones a muslim or a buddist or a christian or a whatever?

[Useful]

I hope it doesn&#39;t go that far; my friend and his parents are too fanatical.


just a question.
why do you guys hate religion so much?
like i am honestly wondering,
why does it matter if someones a muslim or a buddist or a christian or a whatever?

To START (haven&#39;t been on this thread for a while) it isn&#39;t religion that I have a problem with. Not in the least, in fact I&#39;m considering converting to Buddhism. The problem is that in this country, people are confusing their religious beliefs with science. Whatever can be said about science, it is a fact that it has many times the evidence for it&#39;s validity than creationism. So basically, creationists are attempting to reverse progress; they are the reactionaries on the political scale. And that&#39;s almost never a good thing, because whatever you say about this country, it HAS become MORE free, MORE equal, and MORE advanced over the past 200 years. Returning to the past is a silly and outdated mode of thought.

The green debate: I just did a powerpoint on the carbon cycle for biology. So I ran into some basic stats:
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/
This may seem trivial, but it is wise to remember that a seemingly small increase of 2 degrees Fahrenheit in average world temperature would increase sea levels about 10 feet. And check out what a bit MORE would do:
http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs2-00/
The biggest problem is that we are releasing carbon from reservoirs that should remain under cover for around another 1-20 million years: long enough for erosion to expose them. This means that not only are we heating the climate up NOW, we&#39;re setting ourselves up for a big drop later on.

Even if you STILL don&#39;t believe in humanity&#39;s affect on the climate, still consider this: 4 years ago, oil was $30 a barrel in the U.S. It is now well over $100. The CEO of Exxon-Mobil himself stated that "by 2010, 40% of our oil will have to come from sources not yet discovered". (Minor edit: that&#39;s the CEO of Conoco, not Exxon, and he includes untapped sources as well). The discovery of new sources peaked in 1960, and the average barrels a day produced by the average oil rig has been going down since 1940. We have reached the end of conventional oil, no matter how you slice it.
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0406/feature5/?fs=www7.nationalgeographic.com
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/06/world-oil/roberts-text

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

you dont actually think that our rising gas prices are becuz of what were doing to the planet?
the rising gas prices are yet again another greed fest.
they say were running out of fuel. but what actually happens, i think, is that they pull out a "limit" and once that "limit" is almost used up they go AAAA were running out of gas. but actually were just using it faster then they can pull it out. i dont believe theres any shortages.
Canada has 5 times as much oil as Iraq. Canada also doesnt refine oil.
So the reason its exspensive here is becuz we mine it. Sell it to the US who refine it, then the US sells it back to us for Bull**** prices so then we have to hike it up to make any $. The states charge more and more becuz of the war in iraq. i believe Bush has put his country at over a trillion dollars in debt due to the war. (i might be mistaken there so correct me if i am) so the country HAS to raise prices on everything. now im not blamin it all on the states becuz we woldnt have to hike the price either. Its all greed tho. Another thing is the whole ethanol thing which spikes food costs and gas costs, but thats a whole different subject.

[jaw091]

hey what the gas prices over there over here is over $2 per liter

[Filleraol]

hey what the gas prices over there over here is over $2 per liter

here it&#39;s about the same.
There are even rumors in the news about raising it to 27 SEK, which is a little over $4 per liter...thats ****ing insane..

[1337uvis]

what in the hell... 27 SEK? that&#39;s 10.25 LTL... in no way is that possible, since in Lithuania it&#39;s 4 LTL/ liter

[Ionzorg]

$4/litre? Jesus H. Christ in a chicken basket (pardon my blaspheming)...And on the previous subject, I&#39;m quite sure that the US is now about $9 trillion dollars in debt, and climbing. Due in large part to the war, I&#39;m sure, but of course...When was the last time the US wasn&#39;t in debt?

[1337uvis]

a year before the great depression i think. But i think the great depression was a consequence of not being in debt.... magic circle! But it is the economical theory, that rises and falls come in waves, and, well, the whole world was peaking economical power, so.... then naturally, according to all economical theories, it is going DOWN.

[Useful]

you dont actually think that our rising gas prices are becuz of what were doing to the planet?
the rising gas prices are yet again another greed fest.
they say were running out of fuel. but what actually happens, i think, is that they pull out a "limit" and once that "limit" is almost used up they go AAAA were running out of gas. but actually were just using it faster then they can pull it out. i dont believe theres any shortages.
Canada has 5 times as much oil as Iraq. Canada also doesnt refine oil.
So the reason its exspensive here is becuz we mine it. Sell it to the US who refine it, then the US sells it back to us for Bull**** prices so then we have to hike it up to make any $. The states charge more and more becuz of the war in iraq. i believe Bush has put his country at over a trillion dollars in debt due to the war. (i might be mistaken there so correct me if i am) so the country HAS to raise prices on everything. now im not blamin it all on the states becuz we woldnt have to hike the price either. Its all greed tho. Another thing is the whole ethanol thing which spikes food costs and gas costs, but thats a whole different subject.

You didn&#39;t read the National Geographic articles. Though some of this current crisis CAN be attributed to greed, the statistical evidence shows that this greed has been exaggerated by the oncoming end of cheap oil: they&#39;re draining as much money as they can out of us before selling oil is no longer a profitable enterprise. Please read the articles.

Edit: also, you&#39;re right on the Bush stat. But please don&#39;t call it HIS country.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

no ive prolly read that article becuz we get the national geographic but i mean (and im not sayin you do either) i dont go with whatever a magazine thinks...i mean they do change some of my opinions but i unno....

but yah srry i shouldnt hhave call the US bushes country...
the only thing he owns is stupidity.

[Useful]

no ive prolly read that article becuz we get the national geographic but i mean (and im not sayin you do either) i dont go with whatever a magazine thinks...i mean they do change some of my opinions but i unno....

but yah srry i shouldnt hhave call the US bushes country...
the only thing he owns is stupidity.

Alright, but at least read the second one. It&#39;s newer, this past month actually. And stats don&#39;t lie. I&#39;m going to post an image from the magazine.

Also, Bush isn&#39;t really stupid, but he is a figure head. It&#39;s impossible to become President and be stupid. The guy got good grades at Yale, he can&#39;t be that stupid. He&#39;s just smart enough to realize that the best way to get and stay in power is to appease the working class and big business at the same time. And you do that by acting like a moron and letting other people do the work.

[KazuoMM]

well thats arguable
he was a member of the skull and bones
so he had connections to pass without any effort

[Ionzorg]

Hm...A valid spiel Useful does post. Methods of writing, unconventional, is Ionzorg prone to use, whensoever, befalling the clock, the right moment bares its intent.

Anyway, that was a bit of a useless response to Useful&#39;s post (guffaw). Anyone else care to interpose?

[Useful]

a year before the great depression i think. But i think the great depression was a consequence of not being in debt.... magic circle! But it is the economical theory, that rises and falls come in waves, and, well, the whole world was peaking economical power, so.... then naturally, according to all economical theories, it is going DOWN.

Uh, kind of. The bit about economic cycles is correct. The bit about being out of debt... I&#39;m pretty sure that the U.S. was only out of debt before it entered the 1st and 2nd World Wars. That was because we were loaning large amounts of money to European powers and running up a large surplus because of it.

The Great Depression... is partially about being in debt, and partially about surplus. The key was WHO was in debt. Leading up to the Great Depression, almost the entire middle class and many farmers were in debt. The problem came when the money they had borrowed was irrevocably re-invested and unpayable that the banks started to collapse from lack of actual money. That quickly led to the stock crash, which led to a decrease in consumption, which led to a decrease in production, which equals a recession.

Ion, 1337uvis, Yags, or Badger could poke some holes in this, but that&#39;s just because I left a lot of stuff out for the sake of readability.

[InuBokko]

I did!!... :-\

[1337uvis]

oh great just what we need... another spammer who doesn&#39;t have anything to say

[InuBokko]

oh great just what we need... another spammer who doesn&#39;t have anything to say

hey, hello, how are you?

[1337uvis]

I have developed a kind of hatred for you (because i somewhat hate spammers who don&#39;t have anything to say. If your spam is contributing to the conversation - please, spam as much as you like !)

[InuBokko]

I have developed a kind of hatred for you (because i somewhat hate spammers who don&#39;t have anything to say. If your spam is contributing to the conversation - please, spam as much as you like !)


The chicken or the egg?

[1337uvis]

I chose the chicken for reasons i have already explained a few pages back. Now if you would say your choice with a word or two explaining it, that would be THE GOOD KIND of spam!

[InuBokko]

I guess it would be the chicken so the fowl would be ready for creation...

[Ionzorg]

What the sense-make? :-\

And on the Depression, I do not a fair few things about it and it&#39;s causes and so forth, but I&#39;m not one to go on a long-winded explanation under my current amount of sleep. What Useful had said was indeed accurate, but there were of course other factors. I&#39;ll just say that that craaaaazy Roosevelt fixed it all up in the end, and that I am a fan of Roosevelt; much better than our Prime Minister at the time...

[jaw091]

wow im tottally lost ae

[Luppi-tan]

The Chicken obviously came first, just by virtue of the theory of evolution. The chicken evolved from a lower species (Though I can&#39;t think of any species that would be lower than a chicken) and then laid an egg.

[abyssion1337]

The Chicken obviously came first, just by virtue of the theory of evolution. The chicken evolved from a lower species (Though I can&#39;t think of any species that would be lower than a chicken) and then laid an egg.

MORON the chicken would have hatched from the egg of a lower species by that logic

[Marco_1989]

Didn&#39;t God, according to the bible, create 2 from each animal *male and female*. So wouldn&#39;t the chicken be first? .. I don&#39;t know, I don&#39;t read the bible ..

[abyssion1337]

that&#39;s actually what this question is all about, if you believe in evolution then the egg came first but if you believe in cretionism then the chicken came first

[Marco_1989]

^ Oh ok. This is actually the first time I see this thread. And I don&#39;t know the answer to this question for sure, nobody does I guess. The only people that would know are dead by far... And all other theories are just believes from people, so not 100% either way .. Ah well.. old thread anyway ^^

[abyssion1337]

right luppi is annoying by doing this crap, he also made a thread just to post some lyrics... I&#39;m not that annoying am I?

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

No you are not annoying by any means :)

This thread should be dead but I wanna say something.


Didn&#39;t God, according to the bible, create 2 from each animal *male and female*. So wouldn&#39;t the chicken be first? .. I don&#39;t know, I don&#39;t read the bible ..


Ok, God created more then 2 of each kind of animal. He created MANY MANY of each. It is just that when the flood came he told Noah to take 2 of each kind onto the ark.

[Useful]

Not in any way. Though you can be kind of viscous without a good reason.

In other news... well, if you let the evidence prevail in your thinking (evolution), then there&#39;s no way to decide. The chicken hatches from the egg, but the difference between a chicken and a non-chicken would be very, veeeery minuscule. In fact, it may come down to eugenic differences, at which point there is no answer.

If you believe the Bible, then the chicken came first. However, the quote you were thinking of, Marco, was actually in reference to the Noah&#39;s Arc myth. In Genesis, however, it states that on the fifth and sixth days God made the creatures of the sea and land, respectively.

I&#39;ve never heard of the Chicken or the Egg question as being an evolutionary question. As I just proved, there&#39;s no way to know if you follow pure logic and current information, so it&#39;s a false dichotomy if that was the original intention.

[SS_nyuu911_SS]

However, the quote you were thinking of, Marco, was actually in reference to the Noah&#39;s Arc myth. In Genesis, however, it states that on the fifth and sixth days God made the creatures of the sea and land, respectively.




Holy ****..........THATS WHAT I JUST SAID!

[abyssion1337]

Useful, did you memorize the bible just so you could argue with religious types?