[Ionzorg]

It's a good idea, but it's not quite yet the time to make a poll about it, because Useful's idea is, as of right now, poorly defined, but that's a decision that he might want to stick with.

[Useful]

Alright, I'll put down the ideas for the beginning and ending.

The main character is college student. He's majoring in psychology and appears to have a knack for it (he's getting good grades), but not much else. Abyss needs this particular person, who she found through a forum, to define the personalities of the online phantoms. She knows that he's the one because she is in many ways a part of his psyche.

The thing about phantoms is that they're a bit like quantum particles: you don't know their true value until you observe them, and their true value isn't even defined until that point. Abyss needs someone who can psychoanalyze her and other phantoms so that she can become a full person.

When the main character finally does it, Abyss becomes physical. It seems like a happy ending until it's realized that by taking her out of the net, other people have begun to act strangely. As more and more phantoms materialize, the "real" people become more and more sluggish until they loose their will to live. The question becomes, who are the real people?

Of course, we'll want a near future setting where EVERYONE is online, preferably through and implant of some kind.

[masterage]

Umm... Age? Clarification?

The Abyssi were to promore peace by locking all the secrets of humanity away, and they die when the Abyss dies.


The governments know of all the 'mad scientist' experiments going on, but instead of halting them (due to a massive decision of freedom of action), they instead lock them away as a gesture of goodwill. The secrets aren't ever supposed to be taken out, and thus die when the host (Abyssi) dies.

The Abyssi are nothing but an urban legend to everyone but the higher-ups of the world governments.


In fact, it was the (sometimes accidental) results of these mad experiments that the way of life has improved. Suicides have drastically dropped in rate. More people are living better lives...the collars came from one of these, and took off with the public some time ago. Now it's everyday fashion, and cheap to buy.

The collars handle everything about the clothing and any abilities it gives, from how wet or dry it is to how high you jump.

They can connect to an internet-like server, for entertainment and info gathering. Output screen vary by user.

[Useful]

actually I think the idea leaves lots of room

Actually, I think I was over reacting. A little more definition is what we need. Should I keep going? How about Age?

[Issitheus]

Of course, the collars can't do drastic things like multiply your strength tenfold.

[abyssion1337]

both are fine ideas, it looks we may have to write a whole series, or have a contest to see who can write the best story, lol

[Ionzorg]

Alright, now that I've seen Useful's idea in full, I support it. My opinion is that masterage's idea is fantastic, but for our first shot at this, there's a little too much going on. I'd say, let's do Useful's simpler idea this time, and we'll save age's more complex and intricate idea for if (and hopefully when) we decide to do it again.

Agree?

[masterage]

Of course, the collars can't do drastic things like multiply your strength tenfold.

Nothing that drastic. More like twofold, fourfold in emergency situations...

[Issitheus]

WAIT!!!

Okay, we could do Useful's idea AND Age's idea... they occur in the same universe! Maybe Useful's occurs farther in the future or something...


Hey has anyone else noticed that we're back to sci-fi, when we finally settled on adventure?

[Useful]

Alright, looks like Age isn't going to stop anytime soon... though we're getting farther away from a communal feel. I've got more.



Alright, I'll put down the ideas for the beginning and ending.

The main character is college student. He's majoring in psychology and appears to have a knack for it (he's getting good grades), but not much else. Abyss needs this particular person, who she found through a forum, to define the personalities of the online phantoms. She knows that he's the one because she is in many ways a part of his psyche.

The thing about phantoms is that they're a bit like quantum particles: you don't know their true value until you observe them, and their true value isn't even defined until that point. Abyss needs someone who can psychoanalyze her and other phantoms so that she can become a full person.

When the main character finally does it, Abyss becomes physical. It seems like a happy ending until it's realized that by taking her out of the net, other people have begun to act strangely. As more and more phantoms materialize, the "real" people become more and more sluggish until they loose their will to live. The question becomes, who are the real people?

Of course, we'll want a near future setting where EVERYONE is online, preferably through and implant of some kind.

By this time, the main character has removed his internet implant, along with a few other people (who can be the characters we create) and the phantoms. The phantoms act like people who are unrestrained by social norms and talk to each other on the frankest of terms, like everyone in the world was a close confidant. The remaining humans realize that they're going to have to put them back into the internet or destroy it. By now, the main character has become quite attached to Abyss, but he comes to realize that he has to do something. The story ends by the last "real" humans destroying the internet and putting everybody back to their original state. At the same time, the phantoms disappear, and directly connected internet (into the brain) is never made again.

[Issitheus]

I like both stories, we could do them both, Useful's sounds easier, we should do that one first, if you ask me.

[Useful]

WAIT!!!

Okay, we could do Useful's idea AND Age's idea... they occur in the same universe! Maybe Useful's occurs farther in the future or something...


Hey has anyone else noticed that we're back to sci-fi, when we finally settled on adventure?

Yes, we're back at sci-fi, but as I said before, it will only turn into sci-fi if the story demands it. So far, the story is demanding it in both cases.

I like both ideas, but I'm skeptical about combining them. I'm almost positive that's biting off more than we can chew.

Also, the last section of my story can be removed if we want to add more input from the other writers. I can see multiple endings, really.

[masterage]

Alright, looks like Age isn't going to stop anytime soon... though we're getting farther away from a communal feel. I've got more.



Alright, I'll put down the ideas for the beginning and ending.

The main character is college student. He's majoring in psychology and appears to have a knack for it (he's getting good grades), but not much else. Abyss needs this particular person, who she found through a forum, to define the personalities of the online phantoms. She knows that he's the one because she is in many ways a part of his psyche.

The thing about phantoms is that they're a bit like quantum particles: you don't know their true value until you observe them, and their true value isn't even defined until that point. Abyss needs someone who can psychoanalyze her and other phantoms so that she can become a full person.

When the main character finally does it, Abyss becomes physical. It seems like a happy ending until it's realized that by taking her out of the net, other people have begun to act strangely. As more and more phantoms materialize, the "real" people become more and more sluggish until they loose their will to live. The question becomes, who are the real people?

Of course, we'll want a near future setting where EVERYONE is online, preferably through and implant of some kind.

By this time, the main character has removed his internet implant, along with a few other people (who can be the characters we create) and the phantoms. The phantoms act like people who are unrestrained by social norms and talk to each other on the frankest of terms, like everyone in the world was a close confidant. The remaining humans realize that they're going to have to put them back into the internet or destroy it. By now, the main character has become quite attached to Abyss, but he comes to realize that he has to do something. The story ends by the last "real" humans destroying the internet and putting everybody back to their original state. At the same time, the phantoms disappear, and directly connected internet (into the brain) is never made again.

I am stopping there :D

[Issitheus]

Well, if you think about it, they sound like they would be in the same universe, just yours is a bit further along than Age's.

[Ionzorg]

Alright, looks like Age isn't going to stop anytime soon... though we're getting farther away from a communal feel. I've got more.



Alright, I'll put down the ideas for the beginning and ending.

The main character is college student. He's majoring in psychology and appears to have a knack for it (he's getting good grades), but not much else. Abyss needs this particular person, who she found through a forum, to define the personalities of the online phantoms. She knows that he's the one because she is in many ways a part of his psyche.

The thing about phantoms is that they're a bit like quantum particles: you don't know their true value until you observe them, and their true value isn't even defined until that point. Abyss needs someone who can psychoanalyze her and other phantoms so that she can become a full person.

When the main character finally does it, Abyss becomes physical. It seems like a happy ending until it's realized that by taking her out of the net, other people have begun to act strangely. As more and more phantoms materialize, the "real" people become more and more sluggish until they loose their will to live. The question becomes, who are the real people?

Of course, we'll want a near future setting where EVERYONE is online, preferably through and implant of some kind.

By this time, the main character has removed his internet implant, along with a few other people (who can be the characters we create) and the phantoms. The phantoms act like people who are unrestrained by social norms and talk to each other on the frankest of terms, like everyone in the world was a close confidant. The remaining humans realize that they're going to have to put them back into the internet or destroy it. By now, the main character has become quite attached to Abyss, but he comes to realize that he has to do something. The story ends by the last "real" humans destroying the internet and putting everybody back to their original state. At the same time, the phantoms disappear, and directly connected internet (into the brain) is never made again.


Sexcellent. I'm up for that. I'm not, however, up for doing both of the ideas. Does anyone else think that having that much content will complicate things too greatly?

[Issitheus]

Not in the same story, of course. Useful's would be a complete story, and Age's would be a complete story. We could write a series!

[Useful]

Yes, I do. I know for a fact that we can't do both ideas, at least not at the same time.

I'm going to put it up to a vote, so here we go.

BTW I want no posting at all on the poll thread.

[Issitheus]

I want to do your idea first, it sounds like a simpler story. Then afterwards we can do Age's.

[Useful]

Then go and vote!

[Issitheus]

Title of Useful's idea: "Ghosts in the Machine"

[Ionzorg]

EXACTLY! Off to the poll!

[abyssion1337]

I liked both ideas so I flipped a coin agian

[Issitheus]

Which did you end up choosing, Mr. Dent?

[Ionzorg]

This is amazing, we have great ideas, that everyone seems to agree on! Not only that, but we have TWO of them, so we could actually do two books if we wanted to!

No one had better screw this up. >:( >:(

[Issitheus]

I know! A series! For the third, we need both Age and Useful brainstorming with each other to make a story more epic than The Odyssey, and that's literally an epic!

[Useful]

Looks like no one did. There are currently 5 people on this thread and there are 5 votes. My idea has been chosen for our first novel.

Masterage, please save everything that you typed. That's not something we can afford to lose :D.

So... name for the main character?

[abyssion1337]

it came up bad heads so I went with useful's



I know! A series! For the third, we need both Age and Useful brainstorming with each other to make a story more epic than The Odyssey, and that's literally an epic!

I don't like being counted out like that, I'm great with stories

[Issitheus]

Should I go to a blind audience for suggestions? (My Myspace friends, who know nothing of this site?)

And abys, no offense was meant with that, but Useful and Age both contributed awesome ideas, so...

Don't worry. You'll be able to brainstorm too. And you'll be helping write the books, right?

[Issitheus]

Topic name has been changed, and I assume nobody objects to my suggested title for Useful's story?

[Useful]

Abys, there's no way we would leave you out of this. I really want to see how you write.

We need someone who's brain isn't currently fried (like mine) to choose a good name for the main character. Ideas?

Edit: Uh... interesting name, but I think we might run into some copyright issues there ^^;;. I'm liking Phantoms Dream of Kisses.

[masterage]

I just see Useful's idea too much like Ghost in the Shell, really.
Chost in the Machine almost rips that off entirely :D

[abyssion1337]

the one thing I have trouble with is names, I often copy from FE... so I guess we can name him something like Mark(not FE but it came to mind)

[Issitheus]

Well I was just going to the bathroom and it came to me... "Phantoms"="Ghosts", and they exist in cyberspace, so...

[abyssion1337]

then why not change your preposition

[Ionzorg]

Edit: I looked into it, and never mind. I thought I was making sense for a second. :P But I still think the old title was good.

As for names...How about Geppetto? :D

[Useful]

Alright, I have ideas for the main character's name that I'm pretty sure everyone will like.

The prototypical psychologists, Freud and Jung both had German names.

I think we should do something German too, especially because the reference to NGE could be amusing.

I was thinking Hertz (Heart) or Seele (Soul).

[Issitheus]

WAIT...

The name of the pahntom "Abyss" can be a reference to the second book, the prequel, Age's story. The reference will only be in passing, of course.

[abyssion1337]

lets not plan more than we can handle, both Age and I have college

[Useful]

Oh! Let's make it that the secret that got out was the technology to make the brain implants that connect you to the internet!

So... how are people liking the names?

Seele (pronounced ZAY-luh) or Hertz (pronounced HAYRTS)

[masterage]

WAIT...

The name of the pahntom "Abyss" can be a reference to the second book, the prequel, Age's story. The reference will only be in passing, of course.

Ah, I see. In the first book, technically everyone is an Abyssi (in terms of the prequel)

[abyssion1337]

here's what I think, IF we write more than one "abys" will be the only thing they have in common sort of like fire emblem they won't be connected by story

[Ionzorg]

lets not plan more than we can handle, both Age and I have college


Fair enough, but I think that the Abyss name foreshadowing the prequel is a good idea, and it's not complex, either. We should make another poll about the names. Or we could each just say "aye" or "nay" here and save bandwidth.



here's what I think, IF we write more than one "abys" will be the only thing they have in common sort of like fire emblem they won't be connected by story


That's what I was thinking too, they'd just be set in the same universe (albeit several years apart) and use the Abyss name.

[Useful]

WAIT...

The name of the pahntom "Abyss" can be a reference to the second book, the prequel, Age's story. The reference will only be in passing, of course.

Ah, I see. In the first book, technically everyone is an Abyssi (in terms of the prequel)

Right, in a way. They're actually using the technology from the original Abyssi. It also turns out that that's where Abyss took her name from, but she doesn't really go into it (we don't want much background).

NAMES. DO WE LIKE THEM?

[S.ifr]

I'm in favor for the names Useful came up with.

[Issitheus]

I like that idea, about the secret. Just the part that didn't get out was that it would create false identities, the phantoms.

And I like Seele.

And Age, yeah, I see how that could work. Now that everything's online, there are no secrets, maybe? Is that what you're thinking?

oh wait... No, it's referring to the now-extinct race, perhaps?

Sorry, train of thought.

[Ionzorg]

Useful, could you make a poll, and let everyone decide on what they think the main character's name should be (out of those that you suggested)? You could have it like this:

Wat naem b?

1. Name
2. Name
3. Name
4. None of the above.

[S.ifr]

I've already grown quite attached to name "Seele" for the main character.
But then again it's not up to me.
Does anyone else have anymore names for her ?
The main character is a girl, right ?

[Useful]

I'm liking Seele, not because it sounds cool, but because it is a NGE reference and really makes sense for the story.

BTW, NGE is where some of the inspiration for this idea came from. Not a lot, but some. I don't remember Ghost in the Shell very well, but I remember the disconnected soul idea. Another reason I like Seele.

[Ionzorg]

Right then, there's no need for a poll, Seele it is. *thumbs up*

Now, as for secondary characters: WAT NAEMS B?

[abyssion1337]

NGE was epic, I like how they made fun of its complexity on ZSZS, and I'm fine with Seele

[Issitheus]

Main character would probably be male, Abyss is a female.

I'm for the name Seele

[Ionzorg]

So does that mean that we're just going to have those two characters be the main ones? I suppose we're going to have different names for the "guides" (which would be representations of us), correct? That is, if we're still going to do that.

[Issitheus]

We can have characters somewhat based on us...

[abyssion1337]

ok now we need a good start, whould we start off with expaining our character and him being maybe mundane or should we start in the middle to end and do a flashback?

[Useful]

Well, I'm going to have a character loosely based upon myself. His online name will be Useful (I don't see much danger in using it) and I'm going to make him be a guy in his late 20's. He's an acquaintance of Seele, because he's a grad student working on his Doctoral Thesis at the same college that Seele is going to. His thesis is on the adverse physical affects that some people are experiencing due to the internet implants. Name... Jules Franchest (top of my head. I'm pretty good with names.)

Anybody else?

[abyssion1337]

can we still talk about the title?

[S.ifr]

can we still talk about the title?

I think that should be taken care of last.

[masterage]

heh, my character can be in both novels, due to his semi-unique nature as a traveller :D

[Ionzorg]

can we still talk about the title?

I think that should be taken care of last.


Agreed.

I like the characters based on us idea. That's what I was thinking, characters based on us, but who aren't really in there as "main characters", but just secondary ones who could add some plot development and maybe a bit of humour.

I'll think of mine and his backstory soon enough.

[abyssion1337]

remember to keep the backstory short

[Useful]

Sure. There's three things I want named right now:

1. The entire novel. Possible titles are Phantoms Dream of Kisses and The Forgiving Abyss. But I think that the latter has been deemed to make more sense for the novel that Masterage made.

2. The implant internet technology.

3. Main character's last name.

[Issitheus]

I guess we'll just put ourselves in as we go... I think it's only fitting if Useful starts the story. I'll make a topic for it, we write the story in there. When writing, you need to reserve your chapter. After a chapter, if you'd like to write the next one, post a message saying, "I get next chapter" or something similar. Then edit that post to write your chapter. It's preferable to write your chapter in Word or something, then copy and paste it. That way, when it's done, we can email all the word documents to the compiler and then we combine it all. Are we ready do write this ****er?

[abyssion1337]

I know this is useful's story but I'd like to give editor and compiler a shot

[masterage]

Sure. There's three things I want named right now:

1. The entire novel. Possible titles are Phantoms Dream of Kisses and The Forgiving Abyss. But I think that the latter has been deemed to make more sense for the novel that Masterage made.

2. The implant internet technology.

3. Main character's last name.

I'm now concerning myself with the prequel...just how far ahead is the first book?

Implant Tech = Adver OS. The collar in teh prequel will be using something different.

[Useful]

Okay ;). I'm going to have the characters eventually meet on a forum, it'll make the most sense that way. But when it starts, Seele will meet all of the characters in real life. I have an idea for the first chapter...

But first, I want a name for the internet implant tech and Seele's last name. I'll start after that.

You're welcome to it, Abys.

[S.ifr]

How about: "The Sacrificial Lamb of the Venomous Great Escape"
and it would be easier if we had an IRC or something.

[Issitheus]

Yeah... it'd be nice to have a native English speaker as an editor, so... you're American, right?

Hey maybe we can have it translated to other languages...

And I just thought... Seele Hertz!

[abyssion1337]

I need an expaination of this implant; do you have to wire yourself to the internet or are you always connected, or can you choose

[Ionzorg]

For the implant technology, how about "Entity"? Because it will basically cause the entire globe to function as one being, if it's hooked up to every human mind.

[Issitheus]

You're always connected, I believe.

And Age already named it, if you like it... "Adver OS"

[S.ifr]

For the implant technology, how about "Entity"? Because it will basically cause the entire globe to function as one being, if it's hooked up to every human mind.

I'm more in favor of that ^ for the name.

[Useful]

Okay, I'm LOVING Entity as the tech's name. It should be the name for the web, too.

And it's a permanent implant, controlled by thought. The thing is, it's still reading your brainwaves when it's "off". That latent connection to the psyche is how the phantoms come into being.

[abyssion1337]

I'm not, it's a much too obvious metaphor, "when you do things right people won't be sure you've done anything at all"

[Issitheus]

WAIT... the company making the technology would be Adver OS... the technology could be Entity.

[Useful]

I'm not, it's a much too obvious metaphor, "when you do things right people won't be sure you've done anything at all"

What do you mean?



WAIT... the company making the technology would be Adver OS... the technology could be Entity.

Excellent idea, good compromise.

[masterage]

I'm not, it's a much too obvious metaphor, "when you do things right people won't be sure you've done anything at all"

What do you mean?



WAIT... the company making the technology would be Adver OS... the technology could be Entity.

Excellent idea, good compromise.

Heh. Have Adver be the third faction in the prequel :D

[Issitheus]

That would work!

[S.ifr]

WAIT... the company making the technology would be Adver OS... the technology could be Entity.

How about we name it "Zarx OS" instead ? Do I really need to explain why ::) ?

[Ionzorg]

WAIT... the company making the technology would be Adver OS... the technology could be Entity.

Excellent idea, good compromise.

I completely agree. The company who made the technology should have a name anyway, if it's going to play a major role.



I'm not, it's a much too obvious metaphor, "when you do things right people won't be sure you've done anything at all"

???

Edit:




WAIT... the company making the technology would be Adver OS... the technology could be Entity.

How about we name it "Zarx OS" instead ? Do I really need to explain why ::) ?

Who else thinks this could work? :P

[abyssion1337]

I really don't think we should call it entity

[Issitheus]

Meh, I don't like Zarx OS... though it is pretty cool...

And why not, abys?

[masterage]

Meh, I don't like Zarx OS... though it is pretty cool...

And why not, abys?

Besides use in South park and a few other sci-fi series?
>_>

[abyssion1337]

since we're creating our abys character as an online entity with no existence it seems like a cheesy metaphor moreover I don't think it's that plausable as a name for the hardware

[Useful]

Yeah, Zarx OS is a funny idea, but it's not functional. It doesn't even flow off of the tongue very well like Adver does.

I was just talking to my dad (who speaks German and 4 other languages) and he said that Seele is a better last name. So really, we should come up with a normal-sounding first name, because who in their right mind would name their kid Soul?

Edit: okay, so Entity is out. I understand your reasons, it makes sense. We need a new name, it needs to sound like something that's marketable but still meaningful.

[abyssion1337]

I have a friend named Rain...

[Issitheus]

That's what companies go for, isn't it? Cheesy product names?


How about Jack Seele? Might be a bit generic, though...

[S.ifr]

Yeah, Zarx OS is a funny idea

Well now you know there's going to be a parody of the story...

[Ionzorg]

Yeah, I think it should something a bit more creative than Jack, something with significance in the real world. Putting our minds together, we can come up with something great.

I would be fine if we used Entity or not, so it's up to you guys.

[Useful]

I have a friend named Rain...

Yes, but Freud (Joy) and Jung (Young) were their last names.

We need something interesting though... not Jack. Something goes well with the German pronunciation of Seele.

[Issitheus]

How about Liebe for the first name? Or Liefde?

[S.ifr]

Oh wow, the word "Zwitter" came to mind but just forget it!
gosh >__<

[masterage]

That&#39;s what companies go for, isn&#39;t it? Cheesy product names?


How about Jack Seele? Might be a bit generic, though...

Adver OS IS cheesy...
Advertisement OS. First thing that came to mind with internet in our heads -_-

It&#39;s still Adver OS...they used teh mass amounts of money legitimatly earned through increasingly elaborate advertisements to fuel their tech.

[Issitheus]

Please make sure not to miss my post!

[Ionzorg]

I saw that, but I think that maybe the audience could use a more relatable first name. At least one that they know they can pronounce. ::)

I like the name Antonov, it&#39;s just too bad it&#39;s Russian.

[S.ifr]

Melodie then ? or Antlitz ?

[Useful]

Alright, I just talked to my dad again. We decided that something that sounds good and seems normal for the first name is really all we need, because the meaning and the reference is in the last name.

I realized that Iss was onto something, and found that Jackson Seele sounds really good. Do people like it?

Also, on the Adver OS thing, it&#39;s a good company name, but we still need a product name.

[abyssion1337]

drop the OS part if it&#39;s the company&#39;s name

[Useful]

Sounds good. Adver could also mean Adverse... hehe, that&#39;s totally not intentional, right :D?

Product name... I propose a cool acronym.

[Ionzorg]

A cool acronym that the audience will understand, or something that appeals to our inside joke preferences? Because we could theoretically do both without problems. Adver is great for the company name, and Jackson works for me too.

[S.ifr]

Also, on the Adver OS thing, it&#39;s a good company name, but we still need a product name.

"Sifr? [after all it means zero (just an idea, don&#39;t stab me for it)]" I was also thinking about "The Sifrnet" but it sounds like something no one would take seriously if they read it. Just a bunch of ideas floating around.

[abyssion1337]

IWC?

[S.ifr]

I want cake ?
Also Sifr can stand for Scalable Inman Flash Replacement, but I see NO connection, so forget my idea, it wasn&#39;t all that good anyway.

[Useful]

IWC?

What would it mean?

Also, to bring the name thing up to completion:

Is everyone good with Jackson Seele?

[abyssion1337]

IWC=Imagine wireless connection

[S.ifr]

Is everyone good with Jackson Seele?

I&#39;m fine with it.

[abyssion1337]

Is everyone good with Jackson Seele?

meh

[Useful]

Is it not interesting enough?

Also, I think the "I" in IWC should be "Integrated" or "Internal".

[Ionzorg]

IWC=Imagine wireless connection


Or maybe even just Imagine?

Another option is that the name didn&#39;t even change. That "The Internet" or "The Web" had begun to be implanted into people&#39;s minds as a feature, the idea caught on and a company decided to mass produce it, nullifying the need for computers and effectively "evolving" the internet.

[abyssion1337]

the name doesn&#39;t strike me as anything special, now Rain on the other hand, and Integrated or Internal would be better.

[Issitheus]

How about Entity is just a nickname for the hardware?

[abyssion1337]

or the site for software updates entity.net

[Useful]

the name doesn&#39;t strike me as anything special, now Rain on the other hand, and Integrated or Internal would be better.

Yes, but Rain Seele doesn&#39;t flow at all. I&#39;m perfectly willing to do an interesting name so long as it sounds good. Jackson Seele sounds quite good, so if someone can top it, I&#39;ll jump on it.

Also, for the acronym; I think it should be pronounceable, like Fios or Voip.

[Issitheus]

How about PC-IM, as a reference to Chobits? PersoCom-Internet Module

It could be pronounced a P-Sim, or just The Sim.

[abyssion1337]

no, persocom reminds me of chobits

[Useful]

Yeah... but it has nothing to do with what the product actually is. How about:

Basic Internet in The Cerebral Hemispheres.

B.I.T.C.H.

[Issitheus]

But instead of a computer that resembles a human, it effectively turns the human into a computer. However, it&#39;s only capable of accessing the Internet. Therefore, Internet Module. So yeah, it has to do with the product.

[abyssion1337]

funny but I disagree

[Ionzorg]

Can we talk about this later? We should be spending our time on more important things right now, for the amount of time we&#39;ve spent on this subject, names should be the least of our worries.

[abyssion1337]

not at all, they are very important elements

[Issitheus]

Well we&#39;ve got everything else.

[Useful]

funny but I disagree

Alright, I&#39;ll think of something realistic. Sorry Abys! ::)

Internal Internet and Desktop: IID (id, my personal favorite)

Cerebral Internet and Computer: CIC (Sick, sounds a little strange)

Your Internet at your Fingertips: YIF (okay, just kidding)

Your Own Internet Desktop: YOID (I&#39;m liking this one)

[Ionzorg]

I suppose we do. Alright then, you guys can worry about this, make your decisions and I&#39;ll get back to you tomorrow, because I really need a good night&#39;s sleep. My brain really isn&#39;t in this project tonight, I&#39;ve barely contributed anything and I feel bad about it. :(

Edit: I like IID, but if we could make it just "Internal Desktop" so it would actually be ID.

[Issitheus]

I still like P-sim

[abyssion1337]

looks like it&#39;s a new voting topic

[Useful]

Alright, but tomorrow. I don&#39;t want to be too burned out tomorrow. After seeing what happened on a couple of other threads I&#39;m going to bed. I&#39;m to tired to think right now.

[Ionzorg]

I think it is...Just so long as we have some favourites. I like P-Sim and IID best.

And after the Phantoms take over, the name "P-Sim" could become twisted by the phantoms, and end up being reinvented by them, so that it stands for "Personal Simulator" or "Phantom Simulator" or something like that, to show that the humans are basically now being used by the technology.

< Also going to bed soon.

[abyssion1337]

maybe we should put this on hold thill then, I&#39;m not really thinking straight myself

[Ionzorg]

OOH, another awesome Nabokov quote that ties in with this story! We don&#39;t necessarily have to use it anywhere, it&#39;s just cool.

Whenever in my dreams, I see the dead, they always appear silent, bothered, strangely depressed, quite unlike their dear bright selves. I am aware of them, without any astonishment, in surroundings they never visited during their earthly existence, in the house of some friend of mine they never knew. They sit apart, frowning at the floor, as if death were a dark taint, a shameful family secret. It is certainly not then ? not in dreams ? but when one is wide awake, at moments of robust joy and achievement, on the highest terrace of consciousness, that mortality has a chance to peer beyond its own limits, from the mast, from the past and its castle-tower. And although nothing much can be seen through the mist, there is somehow the blissful feeling that one is looking in the right direction.

[Issitheus]

I have to go to bed as well... when I get up i might make an irc for us.

[Ionzorg]

That would be pretty cool, go ahead. ;)

&#39;Night all, I&#39;ll be more productive next time. ::)

[1337uvis]

Leave for a sleep-time and BAM! 20 pages to read... screw that... :D

[Useful]

Okay, I&#39;ll send you the plot summary PM. It&#39;ll save you the hassle.

Don&#39;t leave, we need you!

[S.ifr]

Yeah... but it has nothing to do with what the product actually is. How about:

Basic Internet in The Cerebral Hemispheres.

B.I.T.C.H.

Technical Institute of Tactical Sciences :D

[1337uvis]

Advanced Sensor Systems

[Useful]

Guys... I&#39;m too tired to add anything vaguely befitting of my name, so all I can do is be a hypocritical hard-ass. PLEASE don&#39;t get off topic.

Vilius, did you read the PM I sent you? Everything is there. What we&#39;re currently trying to do is decide what the name of the implanted gadgets should be. My favorite is Internal Desktop, or Id for short.

[1337uvis]

The final scene just popped into my head. It&#39;s a bit comedy-like and not suggested, i just thought i&#39;d share it. The final scene is where they&#39;re all running/fighting their way to the &#39;System Restore&#39; terminal located deep underground. :D

What about BID? Bio-assimilational Internet Device? in the long version sounds better than Internal Desktop imo

[Useful]

Heh, funny idea :D. Been done too many times though. We&#39;ll get there.

I prefer "ID" because the id is also the subconscious mind, which is very much related to the story.

[1337uvis]

It could be just Internet Device in that case, minimalism works.

[Jazean]

...processing...

let the typing begin, somebody take this down i;m not sure if i&#39;ll remember it in the morning...

"Have you ever woke up in the morning and had that feeling as if you weren&#39;t really awake? You know, that sneaking suspicion that the day you&#39;re about to go through is nothing more then an elaborate dream orchestrated by some little id in the back of your mind. Well thats how my day started, maybe it&#39;s something in the water, or maybe i&#39;ve just been staying up to late roaming the winding electrical halls of the internet, but something felt wrong about this morning."

nope, thats all i got... i wandered in and read a bit, its 4am here, sleep deprivation lead to some insightful rambling about dreams and the word id found its way in there too... i like the idea of a story...

hmm...

[beriorgar]

I have to go to bed as well... when I get up i might make an irc for us.

please do, that would make things a lot easier

[beriorgar]

by the way, i don&#39;t wanna be troublesome, but this is gonna be a collab right?
then shouldn&#39;t we all write a piece within the main storyline and with the main charactes in it?
then each of us can work out his/her ideas, and everyone will be happpy about how the story develops and how it ends.
since AMV hell is a collab itself, i think we should keep on collab-ing and all create something and then bundle it up (and sell it)
anyway, that&#39;s just my idea, i&#39;m curious to know what you guys/girls are thinking about it

-edit: when everything is completed, we can always combine our stories into one or two big main stories

[Issitheus]

No, we&#39;re all going to collaborate on the novel itself.

[beriorgar]

ok, never mind then

-btw, who is actually gonna write?

[Issitheus]

What do you mean?

btw- irc.rizon.net/#phantomsdream

[beriorgar]

a lot of us got ideas, but who&#39;s gonna be the one to actually combine it and write?
or are we all gonna write?

[Issitheus]

We take turns writing chapters as posts. Once we finish planning and I get confirmation from Useful, since it&#39;s his idea, I&#39;ll make the Writing topic.

[Useful]

Yeah. The colab nature of this story is by all means still in effect, Beri. I&#39;ll write the first chapter, but then anyone who wants it can take the next one. We&#39;re going to have to do it sequentially or else different people might hit the same plot points within their chapters or end and begin in awkward positions.

So I&#39;ll be writing the first chapter. I like the acronym ID, but I still think it should be Internal Desktop. Internet Device is too generic to be marketable, see what I mean? Anyway, Internal Desktop has the same length and implies the actual nature of the device far better.

[abyssion1337]

I&#39;m so over arguing about the device so ID works; and are we going to call ourselves the &#39;Hellmates&#39; for an author?

[Ionzorg]

That sounds really cool, I&#39;d go with that. There&#39;s also the Hellhounds, if we want to make it sound a bit more badass, but Hellmates is still fantastic.

As for the name of the technology, what do people think of my previous idea? (quote edited slightly for wording corrections)


If we use Issi&#39;s idea of "P-Sim": After the Phantoms take over, the name "P-Sim" could become twisted by them, and end up being reinvented, so that it stands for "Personal Simulator" or "Phantom Simulator" or something like that, to show that the Phantoms have now completely taken over and the humans are basically now being used by the technology.

But if you guys are set on ID, I won&#39;t argue.



btw- irc.rizon.net/#phantomsdream


This didn&#39;t seem to work out quite as I had planned...I&#39;m getting linked to the LunarAnime Forum, but then what?

[Issitheus]

I&#39;d say we use "The Hellmates" as the author, since it&#39;s by all of us.

So, we ready to write this? I&#39;ll start the topic if we are.

[abyssion1337]

you may as well go ahead, I think we should make it a rule to email chapters to each other so that we can give input on each chapter before it gets posted

[Issitheus]

Does the court agree?

[abyssion1337]

it&#39;s only you and me right now so...

[Issitheus]

okay, you can access the irc now. #Phantomsdream@irc.rizon.net.

[Useful]

I&#39;m back, I agree ;D. Okay, I&#39;ll get on the IRC... gimme a sec.

Edit: Wait, should I be using mIRC, or is it embedded?

[abyssion1337]

*cries* I can&#39;t get on the irc

[abyssion1337]

still can&#39;t get on

[Useful]

Ditto... oh well, I can still work on the first chapter.

[abyssion1337]

tell me how that goes, I think we should all have imput on the first chapter (moreso than the others)

[Issitheus]

Let&#39;s have the first chapter a collaborative, the the others are written by one person (one person per chapter, but someone can write 2 chapters, of course). Unless Useful has already planned out the whole thing.

[Ionzorg]

I&#39;m pretty sure he said earlier that he pretty much had the first chapter completely thought out, so that works for me.

Anyway, I&#39;m not going to be here tonight, if anyone else even is...just thought I&#39;d mention. :P I&#39;ll be sure to read whatever advancements on it tomorrow. &#39;Night chaps. ;D

[Useful]

Well, I have the first part good. I just don&#39;t know about the second part. I&#39;m going to have the main character come into class one day to have my character be teaching class as a teaching assistant because the professor is out. The main character gets interested in his major and decides to go out for lunch. Since my character is researching the ID&#39;s detrimental effects, we get easy background info. I just don&#39;t know where to go from there.

Oh yeah, this reminds me: I had a really good idea for Seele&#39;s first name: Gideon. If you say Gideon Seele out loud, it&#39;s got great rhythm. It&#39;s very euphonic. Also, it&#39;s far more interesting a name than Jackson, so I think you&#39;ll like it Abys.

[abyssion1337]

it&#39;s much better

[Useful]

Good, I was thinking you&#39;d like it ;). Okay, I&#39;ll keep going until I hit the lunch scene, then I&#39;ll stop and ask for suggestions or send it over to someone.

[abyssion1337]

ok but I&#39;m calling it a night soon

[Useful]

That&#39;s fine, I won&#39;t be posting here until three again tonight either.

[1337uvis]

I&#39;ll be able to write ANY chapter that doesn&#39;t include mention (in detail) of the whole class thing and such. I am just totally alien to the whole USA school system. Totally different from Lithuania&#39;s.
FFS if you finish 10/12 grades in Lithuania and you go to learn to the US that&#39;s it... you can go to college and SAVE TWO YEARS of your life! :D Also, that gives you an idea how tough the school system here is. I heard it being rated #2 in the world right after Japan. Though maybe wrong on that one, just something i heard

[Issitheus]

Sorry, I&#39;m not sure I follow.

But, speaking of school, it begins today for myself and Ellen, so you&#39;ll see a lot less of me during the day and a ****load in the afternoon/night.

Now back on-topic, I&#39;m going to go ahead and start the Writing topic, and it will have rules, they will be posted in the first post. Useful gets chapter 1.

[1337uvis]

Why would school start one month early? Whatever.
Also, I must point out one fundamental flaw - the name itself
To my ear it should be "Phantoms Dream of Kisses Too"

[Issitheus]

*cries* I can&#39;t get on the irc

Do you have an irc client?

[abyssion1337]

*cries* I can&#39;t get on the irc

Do you have an irc client?

yes I do

[Useful]

Why would school start one month early? Whatever.
Also, I must point out one fundamental flaw - the name itself
To my ear it should be "Phantoms Dream of Kisses Too"

Actually, I see what you mean, but "Phantoms Dream of Kisses" flows better. It&#39;s because the first word and the last word are plural, the "s" on the end keeps them together.

[abyssion1337]

what about, phantom dreams of kisses

[Useful]

I was thinking that too... but then it doesn&#39;t suggest the plural nature of the phantoms.

[Issitheus]

Um... I&#39;ve made topics for the story itself and discussion of the story, in order to keep this thread&#39;s original purpose, to merely plan the novel. Are we gonna write this thing?

[1337uvis]

About the name... Well then maybe "Phantoms&#39; dream of kisses" ofcourse that quite changes the meaning of the wrod but then the new meaning is more psychological (and since the main character is just of that type) and it subtly reveals the plost of the story. Which it should.

[Useful]

The original title does that just fine. Also, there will be much confusion among the general audience about the apostrophe, especially since it doesn&#39;t really change the meaning. Also, there&#39;s a reference that I intended when I first thought of the title. It&#39;s to one of Issac Asimov&#39;s books in the Robot series, "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep". So I was thinking of the title as an answer to that, kinda like this: "no, but Phantoms Dream of Kisses". The books also have similar themes, so I think the connection is important. I think you&#39;ll understand my reasons now.

[1337uvis]

yeah ok i understand :D
and one last creative eruption from my head on this thing: not even a suggestion, just wanted to share it ;)

Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
[no but]
Phantoms Dream of Kisses Deep.

[Useful]

Hehe... you know? We might be able to put that in the dedication or something like that.

Alright... going to see if I have enough willpower to go and do College stuff for half an hour.

[abyssion1337]

actually when I said "phantom dreams of kisses" I was using the word phantom as an adjective not a noun

[1337uvis]

you see that&#39;s the problem - you&#39;d have to put up an explanation on the 1st page to clarify the name.

[abyssion1337]

I forgot how confusing English is, my bad; and in case you didn&#39;t figure it out my way then makes "dreams" a noun rather than a verb
Vmy wayV


actually when I said "phantom dreams of kisses" I was using the word phantom as an adjective not a noun

[1337uvis]

Yeah i&#39;ve already figued that out.

[Ionzorg]

Well, either way, we may end up re-imagining the name at some point, this is still merely a prototype. I like it at the moment though; Isaac Asimov rules. ;D

Sorry that I haven&#39;t been around last two or three days too, my girlfriend&#39;s been staying over, but luckily not many executive decisions have been made without me. Not that it would matter much if they didn&#39;t, I trust you guys, but hey. :P

Now, off to the Writing Topic to see if anything has been posted yet. Excited, Ionzorg is.

Edit: Upon perusing the Writing Topic: Don&#39;t you think we should discuss who will write the next chapter in the "Planning" thread, rather than just having it on a "first post, first serve" basis? There&#39;s bound to be some arguments.

If I have to edit again, I&#39;m double-posting: Um...


btw- irc.rizon.net/#phantomsdream

I don&#39;t get it. :( Mind walking me through this?

[Issitheus]

launch your irc client and go to irc.rizon.net. then join channel #phantomsdream.

[abyssion1337]

I did that and I couldn&#39;t get on, are you sure it works?

[Issitheus]

I&#39;m in it right now, what client do you use?

[Ionzorg]

I don&#39;t have one...nor do I know what that is, which is strange for me, because I&#39;m usually fairly internet-savvy. :-\ Could someone direct me to a client, and any additional info I may need?

[Issitheus]

Trillian&#39;s what I use, and it&#39;s great if you have IM clients as well, it has them built-in. Like AIM and MSN Messenger. And it&#39;c an ir client.

[abyssion1337]

I had MIRC, nvm I just won&#39;t go on(till I get my new computer)

[Ionzorg]

Right, okay: I&#39;ve downloaded Trillian (and added my MSN account to it, which seemed reasonable enough), but I&#39;m having a bit of trouble adding the server. When I go to Manage Connections, then attempt to add a new connection, I&#39;m asked to enter my email and password, and when I do it says "The account you are trying to add already exists in another identity and cannot be added twice."

[Issitheus]

Go to "Manage Connections", then click "Add New Connection". When the little thing comes up click "IRC" For the Server alias put whatever you want, put "irc.rizon.net:6667" in the second box, then put your username in the rest of the boxes. When you&#39;re done, click "Connect". Now go to the main screen and find the bubble for IRC, and Click "Join a Channel". Type "#Phantomsdream"into the box and click "Ok".

[Ionzorg]

Great, it is proven to be operational, anyway.

So, anyone feel like answering that question I had earlier?

[Ionzorg]

I refuse to let this thread waste away on the third page. >:( Unless of course everyone else gets on the IRC, because it&#39;s original purpose becomes sort of moot when it&#39;s just me and Issi on there...

[abyssion1337]

I won&#39;t be on the Irc for a couple of weeks

[beriorgar]

ok, i fail at icr/mirc, even issithueus&#39; manual didn&#39;t work for me
any ideas? i really do wanna join in
a step-by-step manual would be nice, or a PM containing a manual

[abyssion1337]

I don&#39;t think we need an irc.

[Ionzorg]

In that case, maybe we should just abolish the idea. I mean, if most people either don&#39;t want to use it or can&#39;t seem to figure out how, what&#39;s the point? The one place we DO know that everyone will be is here, on the forum, so that&#39;s really all we need.

*continues to wait patiently for our first chapter*

[Ionzorg]

Thought I&#39;d dig up this old chestnut...I do so despise double-posting, but sometimes you&#39;ve gotta do what you&#39;ve gotta do. The Writing thread is not suitable venue for discussion.

So, how does everyone like the novel so far?

[abyssion1337]

it seems short for a chapter, on the other hand it works well enough for a collective novel; still my main concern is that most of you seem to be more worried about publishability rather than writing a story

[Ionzorg]

Well, I don&#39;t think that it&#39;s the first chapter, so to speak, just the first bit of it. Apparently there&#39;s more to come. Don&#39;t worry, I&#39;m not worried about publication; in my opinion, we should aim for it to be just our own, and not worry about what the general public wants and all that. If we do that, we should still be able to make a great book, and maybe even get it published anyway.

[Luppi-tan]

One can make their own definition of a chapter, or if it&#39;s a collective novel, they can reach a consensus.

[Issitheus]

okay, let's resurrect this thing again! What does everyone think of my next bit of the chapter? a Suitable ending for it, or should I make it go on a bit longer? I've got some ideas, but... I dunno. Anyone's free to take over.

[Ionzorg]

Well, if you've got ideas, I say go for it, the last bit you wrote has entrusted me that you know what you're doing. I'm still blanking as to where the path might go, and how quickly, where the character development is heading; all fairly important factions.

[posthere]What is everyone else's opinion?[/damnit]

[acutekat]

i should probably read the first page but what exactly is the dillema?

[Odessa]

i'm still readign throguh this behemoth, but the ideas change so rapidly it's hard to keep up. would anyone who was there ( issi, useful, abyss, zorg?) give us nwbies a post on what was decided, if anything? plot, setting, sci fi, etc?

readign the first part, we have cmputers in people's brains, so i'm guessing sci fi won out. i will keep trudging throguh the arcives for now, but having a "recap" post for us newbies would help if anyone can muster it.

[Issitheus]

We're going with Useful's plot idea, the main character is Gideon Steele, I'll have to reread for everything else.

[Odessa]

well, what are you waiting for? your time is clearly less important than mine, so get to it! :)


(but again, i read alot of it today, will continue tomorrow).

[Issitheus]

You can get a lot of information from reading what we've written so far.

[Odessa]

well, knowig we are using usefuls idea and the first chapter, i can guess msot of it, but assuming makes an ass of you and me, as they say.

i'll likely volunterr for chapter 3, just so i can catch up on things and let someoen else keep the flow going.

(psst...who IS doing chapter 2?)

[Issitheus]

we're just winging it.

[Odessa]

ah! well then....carry on!!!

[Evileel]

^ Couldnt agree more ^_^
Let the bodies hit the floor!
Also don't forget to call back 1337uvis to this site!