[thedarkmessenger]

Furthermore, better nominations? You're ****ting me, right? Those people haven't even tried to come up with responses yet, and your only reason for trusting them over me is a fallacious belief in the benefit of the doubt. Basically, what I'm saying is that you've jumped to conclusions based on false assumptions.

Actually, I'm basing it off of past behaviour every bit as much (if not much, much more) as I'm basing it off this thread. Lack of chatting could mean lack of interest....or it could mean they're just too busy actually working on the videos/statements. You, on the other hand, have blatantly opened your mouth, so your laziness is much more immediately apparent. If you had not said anything, I would've held off on such judgement until I saw the end results.

And quite frankly, I never believed you would make the best judge. It's why I never bothered to second you, or even nominate you myself. That being said, I'm not gonna ragequit if everyone else votes for you (or anyone else I don't agree with). I'm fully prepared for candidates I don't support winning the elections, so to speak. I still won't like it, but I'll work with it regardless. There is a chance you'll end up being a better judge than I give you credit for anyway. Just as there's a chance those I do support end up being terrible. I'm coming into this fully prepared for either scenario. ....I really shouldn't have said "lost my vote" in the original post when you never had it to begin with...

Knowing you as well as I do, this is the end of any slight semblance of useful conversation on this subject. Everything else will just be us paraphrasing ourselves in as many different ways as possible, with some insults thrown in for good measure. I've said what I felt I needed to say, and you've said what you felt you needed to say. You can keep trying to argue, but I'm out with this post.


you people are retarded to think that silence is equal to acceptance.

If you don't care about your dissent enough to voice it, why should we care enough to acknowledge and discuss it?

[The Real Inferno]

Look. Guys.

If you are going to do a project, you can't be wishy-washy bitches about it. Decide what you are going to do already and then do it, but you've spent three days talking in circles without making firm decisions and it's quite pointless. Pick people to be in charge of future projects. Let them decide what we are going to do and let's get on with it.

Put up your judge's voting thread so people can get their crap in (you don't need to give them time, they will post if they want to be considered in the thread, as it stands now there is no reason for anyone to post or be ready to post because there is no incentive to do so). I do think the video is actually unnecessary as just a list of the videos would be just as effective.

As for minis vs. a full project, and judging methods let the team we end up with decide all of that

[Haar]

....I really shouldn't have said "lost my vote" in the original post when you never had it to begin with...

Yeah, no ****ing ****, knuckle dragger. You know for a goddamn fact that you were just trying to start ****, and you succeeded. Congratu-goddamn-mother****ing-lations. I am legitimately angry now. There was literally no point at all in making such a comment other than riling me up, so unless you actually previously believed that and went back on your opinion (also plausible since you often can't make up your mind over simple stuff) it's clear you just wanted to see me become infuriated, and it's working. Are you proud of yourself? This is the most mad I have ever been in regards to the internet. My unrelenting rage is made even worse by your "fail-safe" that you believe protects you from any sort of criticism based on, yet again, your completely wrong opinion of how my mind works. You expect to patch things up with some verbal diarrhea about "different strokes for different folks", or "agreeing to disagree" or some such nonsense, and you think everything will go back to business as usual. But this **** won't fly with me. I am not out to have a little exchange of opinions and then patch things up. I am out to ****ing destroy you. So if I am in the middle of smashing you to death with a warhammer and you suddenly raise your hands and cry out in surrender, begging me to spare your pathetic life, I am by no means going to stop and let you walk away. I am going to keep crushing you into smaller and smaller pieces, until there's nothing left of you than microscopic pieces of dust -- I am a machine that makes dust. This is what I do. That is my reason for living. My response to passive-aggressive behavior, therefore is aggressive-aggressive aggression; an aggression raised to the third power. There's no way to trick me into a compromise, to sign a peace treaty. My opinion cannot simply be brushed off because you don't like it. Ill-mannered and profane truth is still truth. You can cower behind propriety and cosmetic minutia all you want. You can attempt to marginalize the individual that generated it, but I see through you and know exactly what your angle is: backing out because you know you can't win. It's pathetic and completely worthy of my disgust and belief in the fact that you and people like you deserve absolutely no rights whatsoever and never will deserve the rights allotted to humans at any point of your lives.

Anyway, **** this ****. if I have to deal with you goddamn ****ing ******s just to be a judge, I'll just pull out. Jesus ****, this is not a goddamn job interview, campaign to become a prime minister, or a game show with a chance to win fabulous cash and prizes, you sub-humans. While I certainly love arguing on the internet to assert my position as the correct one, this is about principles. You are not nearly as important as you may have fooled your pants on ****ing head retarded selves into believing, nor is the barrier for entry as high as some of you might believe. The fact that this has to continuously be pointed out to you people is the real problem. You are trying to continue a zombie project that was basically dead on arrival, but still have the raw, uncut, ****ing nerve to turn away people that will take pity on your twisted, undead fetus? You unintelligible mongloids think you're better than me? Well, I guess no amount of concrete, undeniable, and obviously true evidence to the contrary will teach you monkeys about the concept of objective fact and my status as a mother****ing physical god compared to you unevolved single celled wastes of time, space, energy and existence. And you know what? Any chances I have are tarnished now, due to how you people perceive me, so even if I post my top 10 video with some balls to the wall editing, the location of the ark of the covenant attached, complete with a year's supply of free candy and a 10,000 USD for each viewer, you'll all still find a reason to **** on it, and as such, I see no point at all in continuing on, especially considering how some of you pussy out and use double talk at the first sign of a conflicting opinion. Not going to say a specific name, but it rhymes with "thedarkmessenger." While I certainly like some of you, a whopping 30% even, the effort for attempting to communicate is simply not worth it. This is a ****ing house of gorillas trying to form a government and I was clearly mistaken in thinking I could get you all out of the stone age.

Never change, folks.

[SilentChaz]

is it possible to contact SSG in some way and figure this out?
it seems like a more direct approach than speculating over the entire construct
What a sensible idea. Well, you already know my opinion of SSG, so I won’t be contacting him.
Floor’s open.


I'm not sure how to take this
You’re doing good, Jinzo.


And the bitch comes up to protect his pimp. Keep the circus going, lads.
Constant snark isn’t helpful, Mill, you’re becoming a nuisance and I know you’re better than that. Are you putting together your campaign materials or not?


1. Decide what you are going to do already and then do it, but you've spent three days…
2. Put up your judge's voting thread so people can get their crap in
3. I do think the video is actually unnecessary as just a list of the videos would be just as effective.

1. The current objective is to select our judging panel, and we’re in the process of doing that right now. Sadly- this does require a brief wait as candidates get their material in order/drop out and leave the rest of the community to debate other things…

2. I suppose we might as well. It wouldn’t hurt to open the thread right now. I don’t see an option to add a poll when I try to create a new thread however…

3. You’re not wrong. A list is fine. Still- it’s just better to see the candidates’ picks in a video. This is a forum based around a video-editing hobby, after all. You would think putting together a compilation of existing material wouldn’t be such a stretch… and even if it is, my offer to compile videos for the non-editing savvy is still open.


...
Yeesh. You were simply asked to put together a list of 10 AMVs.


Statements and compilations

Ready:
The Real Inferno
SilentChaz
Jinzo64


In progress/ awaiting comment:
itschickenscratch
Shuiia
Kaiju
MADEVIL
Akyho
milleniummaster18


Opted out
Haar
adzman

Deadline = 12th June 2015

[thedarkmessenger]

Opted out
Haar
adzman


Wait wait wait, Haar opted out somewhere in that wall of text......and you actually read it?

Jesus Christ, and all that from me daring to admit I made a mistake. Didn't realize me trying to be a little bit better is such a goddamned trigger.

Someone's clearly off his meds, and that someone isn't me.

[milleniummaster18]

With "trying" being the key word here. Hey Dark, when are you going to stop being a piece of ****?

[SuperLoliSentai]

TL;DR: **** this and **** all of you dumb ****s. I was trying to be the hero, but nope. Blood for the Blood God!

http://i.imgur.com/b5yMTL0.jpg

And it sounds like someone is getting ready for Hatred.

[LawRayLiet]

I don’t see an option to add a poll when I try to create a new thread however…
It should be under "Additional Options".
http://puu.sh/i4F9d/d29b162dc6.png
You can also add a poll to an existing thread under "Thread Tools" => "Add a Poll to this Thread"

[pzykosiz]

With "trying" being the key word here. Hey Dark, when are you going to stop being a piece of ****?

here's a bit of the pot calling the kettle black

[Guthix]

Wait wait wait, Haar opted out somewhere in that wall of text......and you actually read it?

Jesus Christ, and all that from me daring to admit I made a mistake. Didn't realize me trying to be a little bit better is such a goddamned trigger.

Someone's clearly off his meds, and that someone isn't me.

a common case of " i ****ed up, but its not my fault "

[jinzo64]

It's a pity Haar is dropping out, He is in my opinion one of the better editors and one of the most helpful members of the community.

I'd like say he made some valid points, But I can't.
He just wrote way to much for me process, And it being in the form of 2 bulky wall style paragraphs doesn't help.

So the goal at the moment is to determine who the judges will be, then decide on a project format.

Idea. We should do a vote thread for the community.
with the options being
new mini series
or
new amvhell.

[urahara1001]

It should be under "Additional Options".
http://puu.sh/i4F9d/d29b162dc6.png
You can also add a poll to an existing thread under "Thread Tools" => "Add a Poll to this Thread"

Ah, so there is a way to add it to this thread. I didn't see that option, which was the only reason I planned to make a new thread for voting. Okay then, quick question before I do; should we wait until the deadline to see if anyone else drops out? I'd hate to have to keep reconfiguring things because of people deciding to leave and invalidating votes they garnered.

[Shuiia]

Just wait until the deadline

[milleniummaster18]

Yep, make it as painful for as long as you can, the amusement just increases over time. Maybe by the time the deadline's up you'll learn a thing of two about how things should work, the hard way.

[Guthix]

It's a pity Haar is dropping out, He is in my opinion one of the better editors and one of the most helpful members of the community.

I'd like say he made some valid points, But I can't.
He just wrote way to much for me process, And it being in the form of 2 bulky wall style paragraphs doesn't help.

So the goal at the moment is to determine who the judges will be, then decide on a project format.

Idea. We should do a vote thread for the community.
with the options being
new mini series
or
new amvhell.
the thing is, jinzo amv hell itself is a project made from a collaboration between ssg and zarx.
us making 8 would practicaly be stealing a brand name since its not official. and if ssg would announce hell 8, all this politics would be for nothing.
zarx's end post doesnt specify anything about taking over minis as far as i remember aswell.

Ah, so there is a way to add it to this thread. I didn't see that option, which was the only reason I planned to make a new thread for voting. Okay then, quick question before I do; should we wait until the deadline to see if anyone else drops out? I'd hate to have to keep reconfiguring things because of people deciding to leave and invalidating votes they garnered.

simply waiting will acomplish nothing. people get a change of heart when they actualy need to do something, so an extra week or two will have no affect on a judge bailing after he realizes this job is not all rainbows and candy.

[Akyho]

Soooo......we were all nice and not being political up until Dark stuck his oar in? Actually.....only Dark has been political....

[jinzo64]

the thing is jinzo amv hell itself if a project made from a collaboration between ssg and zarx.
us making 8 would practicaly be stealing a brand name since its not official. and if ssg would announce hell 8, all this politics would be for nothing.
zarx's end post doesnt specify anything about taking over minis as far as i remember aswell.

That is all very true, But I personally have no problems with stealing the amvhell brand, I already did it with amvhell school minis, Neither Zarxs or ssg seemed to mind.

I'm Happy with doing a mini's series.
OK peoples lets get the judges selected and move on to selecting a format for this project either minis series or hell(insert subtitle here)



simply waiting will acomplish nothing. people get a change of heart when they actualy need to do something, so an extra week or two will have no affect on a judge bailing after he realizes this job is not all rainbows and candy.

WHAT?
we don't get rainbows and candy for being judge.
Pity :(

[LawRayLiet]

Look. Guys.

If you are going to do a project, you can't be wishy-washy bitches about it. Decide what you are going to do already and then do it, but you've spent three days talking in circles without making firm decisions and it's quite pointless. Pick people to be in charge of future projects. Let them decide what we are going to do and let's get on with it.

Put up your judge's voting thread so people can get their crap in (you don't need to give them time, they will post if they want to be considered in the thread, as it stands now there is no reason for anyone to post or be ready to post because there is no incentive to do so). I do think the video is actually unnecessary as just a list of the videos would be just as effective.

As for minis vs. a full project, and judging methods let the team we end up with decide all of that
I'm basically with this entirely.
So far Inferno, Chaz, Jinzo, Guthix, millennium and myself seem to think there's no reason to wait.

I'm a bit sour at Haar far dropping out, I'm also disappointed that loli and adzman won't be in the running, but I'm sure there's not much that can be done to change anyone's mind at this point. I think dragging this on and allowing more time for nowhere conversations and senseless contentions will be the only thing prompting more to drop out.
I say let's get this thing rolling.

[urahara1001]

Alright, looks to be most are in favor of moving on then. I'll get the poll added tonight once I'm home from work and on a real computer. Navigating anything more complicated than simple typing on my phone is a pain in the ass.

[SilentChaz]

Okie dokie, no time like the present. Here’s my stuff:


https://youtu.be/kgZTNeAo564

Blocked in Germany, apparently. Direct link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B39rKzzc4v_nT3NsRnVDRUg1bUU&authuser=0

Picks:
Hell7: Sasami-san@Ganbaranai; Chocolate (Choco Choco); Soul Control; LawRayLiet
Hell5: Porco Rosso; Talespin opening; Malev
Hell4: Hellsing; Sharp Dressed Man; ZZ Top; Corpsegoddess
Minis S1: Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann Movie 2; Take On Me; A-ha; Tank
Minis S2: Dragonball Z; Firework; Katy Perry; Calvin3
Hell2: Cowboy Bebop; Mmmbop; Hanson; Zarxrax
Hell6.66: Carnival Phantasm; Zero To Hero; Hercules OST; LawRayLiet
Minis Challenge: The Vision of Escaflowne; Gargoyles opening; SuperLoliSentai
Hell3: Akira; Wonderboy; Tenacious D; SSGWNBTD
CE: Various; Vicinity of Obscenity; System of a Down; Chaosprojects
Statement:

If I were to assume the role of a judge on any future AMV Hell project(s)- my simple mission will be to help improve the overall quality of the project by identifying, weeding out, and hopefully guiding contributors away from the most common sins found in AMV creation.

Sins which include (but are not limited to): tired and unoriginal ideas; intrusive watermarks and subtitles; poor video and audio quality; and a general lack of thought, effort and humour.

Plenty of you know I can be very blunt and sometimes harsh with my words, there’s no denying that my standards can be high, but I see AMV Hell instalments as the Wrestlemania/Super Bowl/World Cup events of our silly hobby, so naturally- I want them to shine and be something we can all be proud to have been part of.

Sometimes you need a snob.

[milleniummaster18]

*snip*

You're better off pushing whatever you had in mind and forget about this, Law. This thing is over and dead, by its own hand no less.
Just don't make the mistake of calling it an AMV Hell and "streamlining" everything, learn from these imbeciles' mistakes.
Most importantly: be in ****ing charge of the thing. Don't bull**** me, don't bull**** the community, and we'll get along just fine. It isn't that hard. Matter of fact, it's what people should be doing in the first place. I trust you're currently able to understand things such as "honor" and "respect" better than what these mental cases could do in a lifetime.

[thedarkmessenger]

a common case of " i ****ed up, but its not my fault "

How is me admitting I made a mistake with that vote post somehow saying it's not my fault? In no way did Haar force me to make that mistake. I did it entirely on my own, and I admitted it on my own. Not once did I try to pass the blame onto anyone else for it. Where are you even getting that?

Or are you saying I'm responsible for Haar blowing up? Let's be honest here, he was a ticking time bomb from the very beginning, bound to explode at one point or another. I'm just the conveniently placed scapegoat that just happened to be nearby. Haar can claim I was just trying to piss him off, but the reality is he was looking to be pissed off. If I'm trying to shift blame, it's only because Haar and his two new "friends" are placing the blame on me in the first place.

[Guthix]

How is me admitting I made a mistake with that vote post somehow saying it's not my fault? In no way did Haar force me to make that mistake. I did it entirely on my own, and I admitted it on my own. Not once did I try to pass the blame onto anyone else for it. Where are you even getting that?

Or are you saying I'm responsible for Haar blowing up? Let's be honest here, he was a ticking time bomb from the very beginning, bound to explode at one point or another. I'm just the conveniently placed scapegoat that just happened to be nearby. Haar can claim I was just trying to piss him off, but the reality is he was looking to be pissed off. If I'm trying to shift blame, it's only because Haar and his two new "friends" are placing the blame on me in the first place.

yes youre responsible for blowing up haar.

if he was a bomb from the begining why didnt you rustle his jimies during nominations, or better yet say it out loud.
also you placed yourself as the scapegoat, because you were the one talking ****, no one made you do it.
all your giving now is excuses, child stage excuses.

[Akyho]

How is me admitting I made a mistake with that vote post somehow saying it's not my fault? In no way did Haar force me to make that mistake. I did it entirely on my own, and I admitted it on my own. Not once did I try to pass the blame onto anyone else for it. Where are you even getting that?

Or are you saying I'm responsible for Haar blowing up? Let's be honest here, he was a ticking time bomb from the very beginning, bound to explode at one point or another. I'm just the conveniently placed scapegoat that just happened to be nearby. Haar can claim I was just trying to piss him off, but the reality is he was looking to be pissed off. If I'm trying to shift blame, it's only because Haar and his two new "friends" are placing the blame on me in the first place.

Dark... these forums throw around **** all the time and really only Citizen Roman gets hurt, why? Because no one really means it and it's all trolling. What you said was not trolling you meant it as an attack and what you meant was to cut deep and be an asshole, not this airy being an asshole just cause like everyone around here. That is why Haar flipped, you meant it....you wanted to stir **** and still do so, Mill too is wanting to stir **** aswell it seems and that has caused Law to flip.

Seriously Dark just step off and stop dragging the discussion down as your were not discussing nor giving an opinion, you simply were being insulting so if you want to proper discussion, then I urge you to clam up, lick what ever wounds you have and stop digging this stupid grave of yours.

This project under whatever name is supposed to be fun and a team effort.....what you Dark and Mill are doing is neither and trying to be some form of "right", there is no right or wrong there is just doing and at this rate there might be no doing for the fact of people making the fatal error of being stubborn trying to be right no matter what.

[urahara1001]

Okay, finally got to a spot where I had a moment to look at adding the poll, but unfortunately I do have one more follow up before I do. We had talked before about not allowing fresh meat to vote, and we also wanted to allow three picks. From the options I see, I can allow multiple choice, but can't restrict how many, and I don't see an option at all to restrict based on membership status. So it looks like the only way we'll be able to police this thing is by making the votes public. We see votes from spam accounts, they don't get counted. We see someone vote for more than three, we discount all their votes (I figure that's the only fair way to enforce the rules). Just want to check and make sure everyone is cool with that. I know it's probably not a big deal and that we should be able to act like adults about the whole thing, but given the direction some of the conversations have turned, I'm sure you can understand my reservations about that.

Also wondering if we want to set a max time on when the voting will end. Since we are jumping ahead of what was originally stated as far as giving time for the compilation, I figure 30 days maximum is fair, though we should be done well before that, and with the votes being public we'll all be able to see that.

[The Real Inferno]

Okay, finally got to a spot where I had a moment to look at adding the poll, but unfortunately I do have one more follow up before I do. We had talked before about not allowing fresh meat to vote, and we also wanted to allow three picks. From the options I see, I can allow multiple choice, but can't restrict how many, and I don't see an option at all to restrict based on membership status. So it looks like the only way we'll be able to police this thing is by making the votes public. We see votes from spam accounts, they don't get counted. We see someone vote for more than three, we discount all their votes (I figure that's the only fair way to enforce the rules). Just want to check and make sure everyone is cool with that. I know it's probably not a big deal and that we should be able to act like adults about the whole thing, but given the direction some of the conversations have turned, I'm sure you can understand my reservations about that.

Also wondering if we want to set a max time on when the voting will end. Since we are jumping ahead of what was originally stated as far as giving time for the compilation, I figure 30 days maximum is fair, though we should be done well before that, and with the votes being public we'll all be able to see that.

You don't need longer than a week. Christ, only like 10-20 people would even likely vote on such a thing. You are WAY too reserved in trying to get things done. If you want to do a vote, just put one up. This isn't a presidential election.

[Shuiia]

I would assume that poll would be open till the 12th then?

[pzykosiz]

give it a week from when it's put up. anyone that's likely to care has been following this thread pretty close anyway

[Shuiia]

Yeah but shouldn't we wait first until everyone has their top 10 and statement ready?

[ThatsNotMyName_studio]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMUnbNPCoSw

[MADEVIL]

They just keep coming at random with no rhyme no reason

http://i.imgur.com/IS4RbfA.png

[thedarkmessenger]

They just keep coming at random with no rhyme no reason

http://i.imgur.com/IS4RbfA.png

as insane as SSG is, it's hard to tell if he's going to make a legit announcement after all these.

Or maybe everything he's been "announcing" so far has been "legit"? I wouldn't put it past him...

[urahara1001]

Alright, poll is up, getting this damn thing underway. I set the time as indefinite; results are public, so we can see who has and has not voted. We'll close it down when it's done. If you want to wait for videos and statements before voting, fine, just make a post that you're holding out. If you vote for more than three, all your votes get discounted. If we see non-active accounts voting, those get discounted. There aren't that many of us, so we should be able to self police.

[pzykosiz]

not sure if the polls broken, but i just tried it and it only picked up one of my votes

[SuperLoliSentai]

same

[SilentChaz]

I would ask any supporters of SilentChaz to hold on to their vote for a couple of days.
I'm in... talks at the moment, and situations are likely to change.

[Akyho]

Know what..... my stomach is just dropping and I am feeling worse and worse as time goes on for many many reasons. Just take my name off the vote list now it seems you may have to remake it.

[pzykosiz]

given the polls not working, as a backup, how about we just pm someone our votes and have them tally them up?
the amount of voters shouldn't be too excessive

[Shuiia]

I see that working better than any idea we had about voting thus far.
Also, I think it would be a good idea to make a thread or a news post properly announcing our goal to make our own project. Or well, actually this thread has been quite active in that part and I'm guessing anyone who wanted to be a part of this and be involved in it's process is already represented here in this thread.

[itschickenscratch]

So due to very recent complications, my internet is slowly slitting it's throat while laughing and smiling at me, and I think that's a pretty good reason to have to say that I'm sorry but I'm out. Maybe when the polls are fixed for the voting, they can also be changed to take me off the docket.

[thedarkmessenger]

I would ask any supporters of SilentChaz to hold on to their vote for a couple of days.
I'm in... talks at the moment, and situations are likely to change.

So basically you're getting cold feet and are about to back out like everyone else. Got it.

Interesting how quickly interest died. It's like everyone was expecting us to magically start being BFF's with each other for this project, only to back out when they found out reality isn't so kind. It wasn't the community that killed this project, it was everyone falsely assuming the community would change. I know we could've pulled this off had we just dealt with being the assholes we always were. Instead we magically started expecting love and kindness...

At least the ride is fun, even if it is on the verge of crashing horribly. I'll stick with it to the end, if nothing else than for the entertainment.

And yes, even I've given up on the project now. Not disappointed that we at least tried, though.

[Guthix]

bigest flaw of democracy is when its majority is retarded, it makes the whole system useless. future ****fest might be entertaining though...

this is why contenders are droping like flies, this is why i said to make a project you need the leader [ which none of you are ], this is why this lil shindeg will fail. actualy... its already failing.

[Akyho]

this is why contenders are droping like flies, this is why i said to make a project you need the leader [ which none of you are ], this is why this lil shindeg will fail. actualy... its already failing.

In other words this.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIMIpj20Ajw

[LawRayLiet]

I've been in talks with Inferno and Chaz for a little while now.
We've been talking about breaking away and just starting an original project together. With the poll being messed up and so many more dropping out, this is a good time to announce it.
I've never been comfortable with trying to take over the AMV Hell name. Since the beginning I've been trying to push for a Minis type series to give SSG enough time to announce an 8th himself and show people there's no need for the takeover.
But since we're not planning to take over AMV Hell, it doesn't make much sense to allow the community to decide the judges. In fact, it never really made sense at all.

All I want to do is keep up a steady project for those who are still interested in the AMV Hell genre to have something to contribute to, discuss and enjoy watching. I know with Chaz, Inferno and I we can do that and do it well.
The 3 of us will be in discussion further on whether we'll add more judges, what the project name will be and other details. All that information will come to you all with an announcement thread at a later time though(hopefully sooner rather then later).

I think this is all for the best and I'm hopeful we'll find support when submissions open, to make the first release a success.

[urahara1001]

Welp, like I've said from the beginning, if it dies, it dies. I still hate to keep repeating myself, but each time it's been to make sure everyone knows my position hasn't changed.

With a broken poll, candidates dropping like flies, a breakaway group of the most prominent people and, most importantly, general participant confidence tanking, I don't see that we're going to get anywhere else. I really do think this could have worked, and still do, if we had the right mindset going into it. I see a lot of people calling for a solid leader to have made this work; we aren't children though, we don't need a daddy figure holding our hands the entire way to say what needs to get done. Just because that's the way Zarx did it for all the years doesn't mean it's the only way reach the end goal. Indeed, I think that's the entire point he's making with the compilation contest. I know everyone here is capable of taking things into their own hands and getting things done as they are needed. What I see lacking is cohesiveness and willingness to work together. Yes, we're all massive dicks, we've established that. Dicks can still put aside their differences to accomplish a common goal if they really want to. Dicks we may be, but not teenage girls. So I suppose that's what's really killing things now; there aren't enough people who want to see this succeed, either due to a preference for their own goals, trolling for the sake of trolling, or just because there's someone else they don't want to see get ahead.

And no one think that I'm mad or upset. I'm not. I've been fully prepared for the possibility of failure from the get-go as I made clear. I've got nothing more invested in this than time it has taken me to type my posts, and none of that was really any concentrated effort. Had I wanted to put more into it, I would have campaigned more for my own ideas to try and get people rallied behind them. As it is, I said what I thought but left the decision up to what was heard from the community's voice, and this is what I'm hearing now. And hey, if people do decide to prove me wrong and start organizing seriously on this project, I'll join in again. Until that point, I'm not going to push any more.

Thanks to everyone who has participated and taken part seriously. I think we did still have some good talks and got a lot of important things worked out and established, for other projects if not for this one. If I can be of help in any other projects, please let me know. I still say I'm just a mediocre editor, but as events here show, I can organize and I can motivate (even if things ultimately failed here, it still got people talking).

[Guthix]

Welp, like I've said from the beginning, if it dies, it dies. I still hate to keep repeating myself, but each time it's been to make sure everyone knows my position hasn't changed.

With a broken poll, candidates dropping like flies, a breakaway group of the most prominent people and, most importantly, general participant confidence tanking, I don't see that we're going to get anywhere else. I really do think this could have worked, and still do, if we had the right mindset going into it. I see a lot of people calling for a solid leader to have made this work; we aren't children though, we don't need a daddy figure holding our hands the entire way to say what needs to get done. Just because that's the way Zarx did it for all the years doesn't mean it's the only way reach the end goal. Indeed, I think that's the entire point he's making with the compilation contest. I know everyone here is capable of taking things into their own hands and getting things done as they are needed. What I see lacking is cohesiveness and willingness to work together. Yes, we're all massive dicks, we've established that. Dicks can still put aside their differences to accomplish a common goal if they really want to. Dicks we may be, but not teenage girls. So I suppose that's what's really killing things now; there aren't enough people who want to see this succeed, either due to a preference for their own goals, trolling for the sake of trolling, or just because there's someone else they don't want to see get ahead.

And no one think that I'm mad or upset. I'm not. I've been fully prepared for the possibility of failure from the get-go as I made clear. I've got nothing more invested in this than time it has taken me to type my posts, and none of that was really any concentrated effort. Had I wanted to put more into it, I would have campaigned more for my own ideas to try and get people rallied behind them. As it is, I said what I thought but left the decision up to what was heard from the community's voice, and this is what I'm hearing now. And hey, if people do decide to prove me wrong and start organizing seriously on this project, I'll join in again. Until that point, I'm not going to push any more.

Thanks to everyone who has participated and taken part seriously. I think we did still have some good talks and got a lot of important things worked out and established, for other projects if not for this one. If I can be of help in any other projects, please let me know. I still say I'm just a mediocre editor, but as events here show, I can organize and I can motivate (even if things ultimately failed here, it still got people talking).

part of the failure is your halfassed effort.

if the community had the drive you believe it could, you wouldnt even be needed to start things off.

only reason im not supporting law is because he isnt taking the bull by the horns and jumps around the problem like ura. hell even if he was tyrant id be fine, if it meant things starting to roll and me not having to prey on others for entertainment. its either all or nothing

[jinzo64]

Just to clarify since this project idea isn't running smoothly Law,Chaz and Inferno are planning to go off and become a judging panel for their own project, Which they would like submissions for.
Awesome if you three go through with this idea, I wish you luck

I made this, so I'm posting it.

I'll upload and post my video tomorrow.



I don't care if the statement below is more than 150 words.(arbitrary limit is arbitrary)

You know what, I don't want this project to flop before it even got of the ground and you what it doesn't have to die.It can succeed.
The community can make this is to something amazing, all we need to do is accept were not going to see eye to eye,We're not going to all be BFFs.
We could do a test run with a mini hell 5-10 mins of footage.
Then if it goes well we can try a bigger project like hell maybe 20-25 mins of footage. AMVHell CPV1 (Community project V1)
I wanted to be a judge so I could help editors, give them constructive feed back editor to editor.
Judge the clips through the eyes of the youtube,non editing audience that's the perception I want to bring to the judging panel.
I want to judge videos on there creativity,quality,length and humor.


With the way thigns are going posting my video and statement is probably pointless.
But like I said I made it so I'm sharing it.

personally I think gut's would make a good judge, he had some really helpful when he helped with me make an entry for amvhell 6 but sadly I couldn't improve the picture quality so it ended up being a part off amvhell school minis, It's the Haruhi Suzumiya, Clint Eastwood video.

[LawRayLiet]

only reason im not supporting law is because he isnt taking the bull by the horns and jumps around the problem like ura. hell even if he was tyrant id be fine, if it meant things starting to roll and me not having to prey on others for entertainment. its either all or nothing
I realize I may have worded a part of that last post not so well and have edited it now.
The "discussions" I mentioned are taking place privately right now. Things are rolling in every sense of the word.
Make no mistake, I'm pushing things forward from this point on.

[thedarkmessenger]

I look forward to what you, Chaz, and Inferno can come up with. I honestly believe you three have a much higher chance of success.

Honestly, I think part of the reason this project failed is because it seemed to most like we were trying to take over the AMV Hell brand name....and for many of us we probably actually were trying to take over the AMV Hell brand name. As Law and others have mentioned, SSG is still technically the "owner" of the AMV Hell brand. I also believe Law when he says Zarx never actually intended us to take over. I still think the wording should have been better, but that's just a technicality, really. And frankly, I'm not sure we would have been able to choose another name for this project. It's not an impossibility, of course, but it is a high probability.

I'm interested in seeing what happens with Law's leadership on this new project of his. I'm also interested in seeing if SSG ever goes forward with Hell 8....and if it ends up failing just as miserably as the Hell 6 rough cut....

part of the failure is your halfassed effort.
As much as I hate agreeing with Guthix on just about anything, I have to agree with him here. Honestly, Ura, you came across to me as being a rather....reluctant leader. You've even outright said time and time again that you're not really even a "leader" at all, other than being the guy that poked us with the stick.

You say we don't need to do things the way Zarx did....and you're absolutely right. But to say we don't need a leader at all whatsoever is outright BULL****. We may not need a leader that's 100% exactly like Zarx, but we still need someone to lead. At the absolute least, we need a leader for the sake of keeping things organized. At the absolute least. That, I think, is the biggest reason this whole thing failed. Our "leader" simply poked us with a stick, then ran off hoping the beast would somehow control itself. We need the stick poking, but we also need the tamer.

And if you truly believe that all leadership is being a "daddy figure"....then I have to seriously question whatever leadership training you claimed you have gone through.

but as events here show, I can organize and I can motivate (even if things ultimately failed here, it still got people talking).
Events here show that you're great at starting projects, but terrible at keeping things going. It's great that you got the boulder rolling, but why did you think it would roll perfectly fine on it's own when you were rolling it uphill?

[pzykosiz]

even if if you did fail ura, people got talking, and looks like something might come of it,
even if it isn't how it was originally planned.

full support to law, chaz and inferno, i think that might work better than what's been going here

[thedarkmessenger]

even if if you did fail ura, people got talking, and looks like something might come of it,
even if it isn't how it was originally planned.

full support to law, chaz and inferno, i think that might work better than what's been going here

It's my impression that Law was planning to do his own project even before this thread was made. I could be wrong, though.

[milleniummaster18]

And no one think that I'm mad or upset. I'm not. I've been fully prepared for the possibility of failure from the get-go as I made clear. I've got nothing more invested in this than time it has taken me to type my posts, and none of that was really any concentrated effort. Had I wanted to put more into it, I would have campaigned more for my own ideas to try and get people rallied behind them. As it is, I said what I thought but left the decision up to what was heard from the community's voice, and this is what I'm hearing now. And hey, if people do decide to prove me wrong and start organizing seriously on this project, I'll join in again. Until that point, I'm not going to push any more.


It just goes ahead and proves how much of this endeavor was about you and your lard-ass image rather than doing it for AMV Hell. You never had (or will have) much more regard towards the franchise than what you have for yourself. I'm sorry, did the community disappoint you, dear "Not totally the leader of this thing"? It doesn't work that way, urahara. They didn't teach you that in boy scouts?



I can organize and I can motivate.

Basically, you'd been doing a lot of things a leader was supposed to be doing, except admitting you're in charge. Why? "Because I don't like people telling me what to do"? By the time Chaz (and Law, to a lower extent) started pitching in, everyone prostrated to his will, including yourself. So, that's certainly not it. The real reason was because that way you'd have a way to weasel out of this if it crashed and burned (like it did right now), while blaming the community, no less! Had you called yourself the leader of this thing explicitly, then your credibility would've been below the ground right now and you'd have no other option than swallowing your pride and taking responsibility for your actions, and you obviously can't have that. Rest assured, you're not getting away with this. Your head goes on the chopping block, and I'm making sure you don't ever get a second chance at ****ing things up.

It's in the best interest of what's left of the AMV Hell community that you never occupy any sort of position higher than "contributor" in any AMV Hell or AMV Minis project from this point onward, and if circumstances led to you somehow managing to achieve this, said project shall not come to fruition. I'll personally make sure this is enforced, though I'm sure I won't have to bother much. After all, you did say you didn't believe in reunion tours, eh?

As for Chaz and Law, good luck with your project. Make sure to play nicely and honestly, lads. I'll be watching you.

[urahara1001]

And this is exactly what I'm talking about. I never took up the mantle of leader because, from the way interpreted the message from Zarx, things were to be done as a community project, not just one person directing and truly taking leadership. I'm entirely capable of filling that sort of role, but that role was never offered to me. I have never admitted to being in charge because I was never put in charge. It wasn't a matter of being half-assed, it was a matter of not stepping over my bounds as just another person in the community voicing their opinion. I believed, and still do, that people here are capable of managing a project without one person sitting in the driver's seat. But it's clear, even more so now after the latest batch of comments, that no one here wants to take up that collective responsibility themselves, they would rather have someone at the helm. Whether that's because they want someone to point the finger at when things go wrong, or if they just think that actually is a better way of managing things, I can't say, but as I've said from the beginning, if that's what the community wants, then we'll go with it.

Mil, to address your later comments specifically, I don't know what kind of clout you think you have to try and control what contributions I make to anything, but regardless I don't think you'll need to worry about taking any sort of action. As I've said before, I don't believe I'm any better than a mediocre editor, and I don't think I have the specific experience needed to take total control of a major project of the kind AMV Hell produces (yet another reason why I wasn't naming myself leader in the first place). Anything I would do for any future projects would be assistance as requested and accepted by whoever is heading it at the time. If you have a problem with that, then your arrogant ass can take it up with whoever is managing then and tell them why you know so much better than they do.

[LawRayLiet]

If no one else Ura, I appreciated the effort and thought some of the discussions were still worth having.
Since this thread is about over with, I'm closing it.